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Old 01-07-17, 08:58 PM   #26
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I am getting older myself. Many if not most of the people I have known and/or cared about have since passed away. The video shared by the OP pretty much points out how quickly passing from the living.... into the realm of the formerly living.... sometimes happens.

Often... death comes shortly after a heart attack, stroke, unfamiliar pain, unfavorable medical test result... or check-up. No government agency seems to be able to halt death. Death waits... for no man.

Those close calls we sometimes get while cycling.... remind me I am alive. Life is good. Being reminded... is a blessing.
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Could have fooled me.
This is in relation to the fact that this is an organised game.
Why else would huge numbers of people in QLD care about something in Victoria?

Or are you trying to troll my thread?
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This is in relation to the fact that this is an organised game.
Why else would huge numbers of people in QLD care about something in Victoria?

Or are you trying to troll my thread?
So despite you saying that this is absolutely not what this thread is about you continue to indirectly reference organized games, which in turn references your original comments and opinion on truck drivers.

You then proceed with name calling. Very mature.
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So despite you saying that this is absolutely not what this thread is about you continue to indirectly reference organized games, which in turn references your original comments and opinion on truck drivers.

You then proceed with name calling. Very mature.
You do have the option of turning off notifications to MY thread you know.
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Old 01-07-17, 09:17 PM   #30
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So despite you saying that this is absolutely not what this thread is about you continue to indirectly reference organized games, which in turn references your original comments and opinion on truck drivers.

You then proceed with name calling. Very mature.
Obviously you have made your mind up that you know better than me what my own thread is about.
That takes a special kind of talent I bet.
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Are you not capable of going in to more depth with regards to your opinions and claims of an organized trolling game? Backing your comments up with some kind of meaningful insight?

Guess not.
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Old 01-07-17, 09:33 PM   #32
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Are you not capable of going in to more depth with regards to your opinions and claims of an organized trolling game? Backing your comments up with some kind of meaningful insight?

Guess not.
Hmmm, thanks for your pointless input.
Not even sure why you popped into the advocacy pages.

This will help you:
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Old 01-07-17, 09:34 PM   #33
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my recommendation is everyone leave him alone with his thread
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my recommendation is everyone leave him alone with his thread
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I actually have this theory about social media in general.

Once upon a time, (when I was a kid) if you wanted to get your comment in the media you had to actually write a letter to the editor of the newspaper/magazine/ radio station and go to the trouble of posting it to that media outlet. The letter would get read by someone and a decision made on whether to publish it/read it out. Most would likely end up in the bin.

These days with Social Media any twit can type whatever brain fart they have and it ends up published.
In effect social media is making the world dumber.

This is not my page, but I do like arguing with morons and so you can possibly guess who I am in that "discussion".
Yup. When I was a newspaper reporter and editor we got letters from cranks. We didn't publish them, or edited them to suit the paper's standards. As a result readers didn't see overtly racist, misogynistic or hateful speech. Not that it didn't happen. It just didn't get printed in most newspapers. (Not that newspapers didn't publish covertly racist or troublesome stuff -- even 12-15 years after WWII many newspapers continued publishing stories about the Pearl Harbor attack with derogatory slurs about the Japanese, usually quoted from a military veteran.)

But social media have given a nearly free-for-all platform for venting with little or no moderation. I don't have any serious disagreements with that on individual's FB pages or social media accounts. I just block people who are routinely abusive.

But the news media have shirked any responsibility for moderating comments on their Facebook pages. The idea, several years ago when some media sites stopped hosting onsite comment sections, was that Facebook's requirement to use real identities (rarely enforced) would result in peer pressure nudging people into behaving civilly and responsibly. It didn't work. People who operate under a thin veneer of civility were emboldened by the unrepentant hate speech published without any consequences. Over the past few years it's become the default mode of communication on social media news comment sections. Many people now don't even understand the difference between moderation and censorship, and chafe at any suggestion to restrain themselves.

The FB cycling advocacy page you linked to is an example. It's a mess and pointless. Without careful moderation it's just another place to bicker. Nobody will be persuaded. Every post that's intended to be advocacy is really just troll bait. And without consequences or moderation the worst of the poster will feel emboldened by the perception of peer approval. They're more likely to drive and behave aggressively because that's the new normal.
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Old 01-07-17, 10:48 PM   #36
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The FB cycling advocacy page you linked to is an example. It's a mess and pointless. Without careful moderation it's just another place to bicker. Nobody will be persuaded. Every post that's intended to be advocacy is really just troll bait. And without consequences or moderation the worst of the poster will feel emboldened by the perception of peer approval. They're more likely to drive and behave aggressively because that's the new normal.
Agreed.
And the facts are that over here even our Road Safety pages dont moderate correctly.
I have personally pointed out to them on many occasions that by leaving such posts on their page they are in effect condoning and supporting those comments and are by implication responsible should someone actually act on the veiled (and often not so veiled) threats against others that are left there.
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Old 01-08-17, 01:41 AM   #37
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Yes, we have a troll population locally, but it's not organized (at least not in any way that I can see). It's just that the folks who take the time to comment on the local newspaper's articles are typical haters of anyone walking or cycling.

I suppose my teasing them with snippets from the vehicle code could be considered trolling from their perspective.
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Old 01-08-17, 02:43 AM   #38
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Yes, we have a troll population locally, but it's not organized (at least not in any way that I can see). It's just that the folks who take the time to comment on the local newspaper's articles are typical haters of anyone walking or cycling.

I suppose my teasing them with snippets from the vehicle code could be considered trolling from their perspective.
As I often say.
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Old 01-08-17, 06:32 AM   #39
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Can't see the video, but no, not around here. There are the 18-year olds who just got their licence and can't resist looking down on their peers who still have to go by bike or moped. But it generally ends up with him driving everybody around to bars and parties where he can't drink and the others can, and his mood becomes much less triumphant.

Some young motorists think it's fun to hit a deep puddle when there are cyclists next to it, but that's not anti-cyclist, that's just general misbehaviour. It's also quite risky, you might encounter the same cyclists at the next traffic light or they might have memorized the licence plate. Most motorists here know that their sense of safety is false and their car is actually much more vulnerable than a bike.
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I ride virtually everyday and I'm happy to say that we have no 'trolls' out looking to harass cyclists. Jacksonville area is a nice place to bike.
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There is no doubt this is an auto-centric world. Laws do however allow cyclist the same rights to roads as cars and trucks.

However a cyclist will choose wisely the routes they take. A wise cyclist will take an alternate route less traveled, or maybe in the areas they are available MUPS.
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A little more than a decade ago, there was nearly half a section of one local paper devoted to urban cycling. It seemed to be a seminal moment...since there were more 'clashes' between cyclists and drivers in that year alone than there have been SINCE. A pro-cycling mayor did a significant part to help that, as well.

Now, there have been some incidents recently -- most of them seem to involve immigrant drivers, who are less 'culturally aware'. Four times in the week before Xmas, I was buzzed while commuting, and only on the last one was I able to tell one of them was involved...noticed their headwear.

It likely won't be an issue for a while, unless we get another heavy snow this winter; I opt for an all-but-unused sidewalk route (despite the willfully ignorant in another thread here....). No noticeable difference in travel time, and hey -- if your bike isn't made to go ANYWHERE, you need to look at your choices.
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It's really not...you are being LCFish on the optimism, my friend.


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I've found that the best way to minimize exposure to "anti-cycling" rhetoric is to minimize ones time spent reading about it on internet forums.
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Winner! And the majority of it comes from people asking if you have seen any.


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This is in relation to the fact that this is an organised game.
Why else would huge numbers of people in QLD care about something in Victoria?

Or are you trying to troll my thread?

Don't Brissie folks love to bug Melbourne folks?


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Spend some time on the video site Liveleak and you will see hatred of cyclists is universal. Lost of people love watching cyclists get killed.
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Spend some time on the video site Liveleak and you will see hatred of cyclists is universal.
Or don't, and one will see in reality it isn't.
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I've discovered that it's worse in "bicycle friendly" cities. I lived in Denver and Tucson, both considered cycling meccas, and in my current city El Paso. In Denver I had to be on the constant lookout for crazy people and bike haters in pickup trucks, especially when riding up/down the canyons west of the city (Golden Gate, Mt. Vernon, etc.). I could expect at least one encounter with an angry "motorist" per ride. Same in Tucson.

But in El Paso, where there is little to no bicycling culture, I cruise the streets and get largely ignored. I walk more than I ride for sure, but when I encounter drivers when on my bike I get stared at more than anything else. I think I'm a mere curiosity to them, as opposed to the political "threat" I represent in "bike" cities.
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I've discovered that it's worse in "bicycle friendly" cities. I lived in Denver and Tucson, both considered cycling meccas, and in my current city El Paso. In Denver I had to be on the constant lookout for crazy people and bike haters in pickup trucks, especially when riding up/down the canyons west of the city (Golden Gate, Mt. Vernon, etc.). I could expect at least one encounter with an angry "motorist" per ride. Same in Tucson.

But in El Paso, where there is little to no bicycling culture, I cruise the streets and get largely ignored. I walk more than I ride for sure, but when I encounter drivers when on my bike I get stared at more than anything else. I think I'm a mere curiosity to them, as opposed to the political "threat" I represent in "bike" cities.
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