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Old 02-03-17, 12:07 PM   #26
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I've learned to always stop and wait. Always yield and always watch out for anyone running a red.
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Old 02-03-17, 03:48 PM   #27
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I've learned to always stop and wait. Always yield and always watch out for anyone running a red.
There are a couple of places on my commute where I turn right shoulder-to-shoulder at a light. Even at those, I give a quick glance to make sure one of the local too-old-to-drive-but-won't-hang-up-the-keys types isn't using the shoulder as their private lane.
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Yeah, you just never know. I figure if I'm on a bike, I'm not really in a hurry to get somewhere, and I should take the time to make sure I'm not going to get killed or seriously injured by entering an intersection when I shouldn't.
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On a side note.

The phrase "running a red" or stop sign carries the image of going straight through without pausing to check traffic. That's often true, but more common is slowing or stopping, then proceeding across before the light turns green.

Many of us might call this an "Idaho stop", referencing the state where it's legal, but I wish we had a better alternative to running a red to describe how many cyclists cautiously and safely proceed through these intersections.
I just read an article where it's now a legal "California stop", the many reader comments were sadly predictable.
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Yeah, you just never know. I figure if I'm on a bike, I'm not really in a hurry to get somewhere, and I should take the time to make sure I'm not going to get killed or seriously injured by entering an intersection when I shouldn't.
This is subjective.

There are those that can drive but, are 'living car free'. There is a forum on BF by the same name.

Then there are those like myself. Who use their bike as their major/sole source of transportation. Since they can't drive for medical reasons. Riding a bike, doesn't imply that one is not in a hurry.
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Remember, these are Los Angeles County Sheriff’s claiming they had the green light.

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is one of the worst in the country.

How often do we see race left out of public statements. So why did Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department include it in an initial report in this case?
Knowing cops in general (and having a niece who's had unpleasant experiences with the LAPD), I'm betting that:

1) The dash cam was not working for some unknown 'technical' rerason.
2) In reality, the cops were doing a high-speed 'silent approach', and not using proper care (seeing as how it's a 'minority neighborhood')
3) The cops blasted through the red at full-throttle, hit the kid, and spent a couple minutes getting their stories synched.
4) The officer filed a false report, stating that the kid ran the red light.

Sorry, but this stuff happens ALL_THE_TIME to people, especially minorities in urban settings. I'm expecting a night or 2 of rioting in response.....
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This is subjective.

There are those that can drive but, are 'living car free'. There is a forum on BF by the same name.

Then there are those like myself. Who use their bike as their major/sole source of transportation. Since they can't drive for medical reasons. Riding a bike, doesn't imply that one is not in a hurry.
Yes, that is true, but they're not mutually exclusive. I'm never in so much of a hurry that I don't take the time to be safe.
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Knowing cops in general (and having a niece who's had unpleasant experiences with the LAPD), I'm betting that:

1) The dash cam was not working for some unknown 'technical' rerason.
2) In reality, the cops were doing a high-speed 'silent approach', and not using proper care (seeing as how it's a 'minority neighborhood')
3) The cops blasted through the red at full-throttle, hit the kid, and spent a couple minutes getting their stories synched.
4) The officer filed a false report, stating that the kid ran the red light.

Sorry, but this stuff happens ALL_THE_TIME to people, especially minorities in urban settings. I'm expecting a night or 2 of rioting in response.....
Knowing cyclists in general (and having a niece who's had unpleasant experiences with a cyclist), I'm betting that:

1) The go-pro was not working for some unknown 'technical' rerason.
2) In reality, the cyclists were riding ninja, and not using proper care (seeing as how it's a 'minority neighborhood')
3) The cyclist blasted through the red, hit the kid, and spent a couple minutes getting his story straight.
4) The cyclist gave a false report, stating that the kid ran the red light.

Sorry, but this stuff happens ALL_THE_TIME to people, especially minorities in urban settings. I'm expecting a night or 2 of rioting in response....

See what I did there?

Kinda ugly when the tables are turned isn't it? What purpose does it serve to make such a needlessly biased assumption without any evidence?
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Knowing cyclists in general (and having a niece who's had unpleasant experiences with a cyclist), I'm betting that:

1) The go-pro was not working for some unknown 'technical' rerason.
2) In reality, the cyclists were riding ninja, and not using proper care (seeing as how it's a 'minority neighborhood')
3) The cyclist blasted through the red, hit the kid, and spent a couple minutes getting his story straight.
4) The cyclist gave a false report, stating that the kid ran the red light.

Sorry, but this stuff happens ALL_THE_TIME to people, especially minorities in urban settings. I'm expecting a night or 2 of rioting in response....

See what I did there?

Kinda ugly when the tables are turned isn't it? What purpose does it serve to make such a needlessly biased assumption without any evidence?
Too bad cyclist do not get to write the police report, only police get to put their bias into such reports. Police have vastly more expensive dash cams than a Go-pro, their dash cams are suppose to be far more reliable. Very odd their dash cams fail at critical times when cops are in a collision, except of course when the dash cam shows the cop not at fault, dash cams are extremely reliable then.

Probabilities are on AlexCyclistRoch's side.

Go-pros and Contours have shown to be very reliable. There are many videos from go-pros lost in the ocean, found months or even years later that the video played fine.
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Probabilities are on AlexCyclistRoch's side.
Or not. We don't know.

Rather than making prognostications biased on bias alone, why not wait for proof one way or the other. Is that unreasonable?
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Unless there is video evidence I don't believe the Sheriff's version. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's department is the most corrupt agency in America. They have a long history of killing cyclists AND using their patrol cars to ram cyclists off the road. They have paid millions in settlements.
In these cases the Sheriffs lied through their teeth about what happened.
The first time I was ever stopped by police on my bike was by the Sheriffs. They jumped a curb and ran me off the road just to stop for not having a light on my bike. They accused me of "attempting to flee" in their police report but no charges were ever filed.
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Or not. We don't know.

Rather than making prognostications biased on bias alone, why not wait for proof one way or the other. Is that unreasonable?
Man, you live in lilly-white Washington. If you'd have to put up with 1/10th of the crap those of us who deal with urban police departments, you'd probably go for your shotgun....
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Man, you live in lilly-white Washington. If you'd have to put up with 1/10th of the crap those of us who deal with urban police departments, you'd probably go for your shotgun....
Perhaps you should learn a little about Seattle's diversity before making such statements.
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Or not. We don't know.

Rather than making prognostications biased on bias alone, why not wait for proof one way or the other. Is that unreasonable?
So you are in LA investigating right now? Oh, that is right, you just trust the cops to investigate themselves.
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Perhaps you should learn a little about Seattle's diversity before making such statements.
It was pretty white when I lived up there. Far more than when I lived in San Jose CA.
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I run a red light every night whilst riding my bike.

Every rider should run a red light for their own safety, especially at night.

A headlight as well.
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I run a red light every night whilst riding my bike.

Every rider should run a red light for their own safety, especially at night.

A headlight as well.
Who comes up with these threads... I mean... given a choice between toasting a just born red in the middle of rush hour at 5:30pm, and incinerating one three seconds old at 10:00pm when half the city has gone to bed... gimme the night...
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So you are in LA investigating right now? Oh, that is right, you just trust the cops to investigate themselves.
Neither, I'm just not impetuous, and can wait for it to play out before forming an opinion.
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Gads man! WHAT you smoking that has you so riled?

I've seen many cases where bicyclists have blown through a red light and were either hit by a motor vehicle or very nearly hit be one. that's why it's NOT a good idea to "BLOW through or RUN" a red light. Idaho stops are an entirely different thing. I'm referring to those bicyclists who do NOT SLOW DOWN OR LOOK BEFORE riding across an intersection where the light facing them is RED.

Cheers
You just experienced why I have this POS on ignore.
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You just experienced why I have this POS on ignore.
Hey! I resemble that remark. And unless I way miss my guess (unlikely) you can read this.
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Neither, I'm just not impetuous, and can wait for it to play out before forming an opinion.
Then you will be waiting for an Internal Affairs comment similar to the letters I have received from them:
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I've learned to always stop and wait. Always yield and always watch out for anyone running a red.
You're obviously not an elite rider, one clipped into a carbon fiber bullet. They have special rights you know, they can cross intersections regardless of the light's color and are not required to come to a stop at stop signs. A simple glance left and right is all that is required in their case
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You're obviously not an elite rider, one clipped into a carbon fiber bullet. They have special rights you know, they can cross intersections regardless of the light's color and are not required to come to a stop at stop signs. A simple glance left and right is all that is required in their case
Especially if a Strava KOM is on the line.
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"The deputies were traveling north on 47th Street with a green light and unable to stop in time when the bicyclist, who was heading east on Avenue S, rode in front of the patrol vehicle, the release states."

so speeding? dui? reckless driving?

no video???
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Remember, these are Los Angeles County Sheriff’s claiming they had the green light.

Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is one of the worst in the country.

How often do we see race left out of public statements. So why did Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department include it in an initial report in this case?
I was almost hit on 2 separate occasions last year by LA county sheriff cruisers as they ran stop signs, no lights, no emergency.

One yelled an apology.
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