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Old 01-15-17, 06:53 PM   #1
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No charges after cyclist, car standoff video, Ottawa police say - Ottawa - CBC News


Regardless of who started what I can't understand why the driver hasn't been charged with something.
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Regardless of how it started, the motorist was the one damaging property.

Good on the other motorist for recording it. Foolish of the police for making the statement that even he could be charged.
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The car's license plate is visible.
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Generally takes more than one idiot for a situation like this to happen. Motorist is clearly in the wrong, but if we had the whole story it wouldn't surprise me to see the cyclist is too.
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According to the news report, neither party wanted to press charges. In most places, that would end it.

Yes, the state could press charges without the victim wanting to, but that's rare.
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Generally takes more than one idiot for a situation like this to happen. Motorist is clearly in the wrong, but if we had the whole story it wouldn't surprise me to see the cyclist is too.
Yet the video shows no evidence of the cyclist retaliating by trying to damage the car, while the motorist continues to push into the cyclist for a very long time.
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Turns out the cyclist involved does want charges to be laid:

Cyclist in angry confrontation wants motorist charged - Ottawa - CBC News
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That sounds like a typical road raging bully cyclist to me. Clearly jefnvk must be right about this evil cyclist.

How did the cops get it wrong? Clearly they did not even talk to the cyclist or just ignored what he told them so they could close the case. Too bad for the cops that it made the news and the cops might have to do some actual work.
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That sounds like a typical road raging bully cyclist to me. Clearly jefnvk must be right about this evil cyclist.
Yeah, nothing about that means he wasn't in the wrong, no more than a convicted felon biking to a drug deal being hit by a car means the motorist was in the clear
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Yeah, nothing about that means he wasn't in the wrong, no more than a convicted felon biking to a drug deal being hit by a car means the motorist was in the clear
Thing is, many good cyclist have experienced bad treatment from motorist for just cycling. Sadly, your first reaction is the cyclist did something evil to the motorist with nothing to support such a claim.
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Thing is, many good cyclist have experienced bad treatment from motorist for just cycling. Sadly, your first reaction is the cyclist did something evil to the motorist with nothing to support such a claim.
Other than the fact that he is sitting in the middle of an intersection, impeding traffic? Or the fact that he originally did not want to press charges, despite the motorist being caught on video hitting him over and over again, indicating there is probably more to the story we don't know? Or despite his claims, the one video that has been offered up shows neither the driver slapping him nor tossing his bike?

I'm all for protecting vulnerable road users. I stated originally that the motorist, regardless of what happened to start this, is definitely in the wrong, but I have never bought the notion that the cyclist is always blameless in any of these cases.

I have no idea what transpired to start all this, none of us do, other than his claim in the second link that a car was following him too close. I stand by my original comment that for it to escalate to a car intentionally pushing a person holding a bike, there is probably far more to the story, and more than one hothead, involved. Maybe there isn't, but none of us have any way of knowing that, just like we don't know that the cyclist is blameless in the matter.

The only certainty being, the car is definitely in the wrong.
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Or the fact that he originally did not want to press charges, despite the motorist being caught on video hitting him over and over again, indicating there is probably more to the story we don't know?
Only according to a police tweet. Sad you really think that tweet is the truth.

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Yet you still jump on the cyclist. At least the cyclist is publicly speaking about the incident. Where is the motorist, hiding?
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...The only certainty being, the car is definitely in the wrong.
NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO!

The car is inanimate; it is not in the wrong. The operator of the car, call him a motorist, driver or any number of less pleasant names, is clearly in the wrong.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine. The language has been subtly changed to exonerate motorists and pretend that the tools they use to kill and maim are behaving badly when it is, in fact, the operators of those tools who are doing so.
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It takes two to tango.

Ok, so someone made a bad turn? Big deal. Yell some obscenities, then move on with one's life.

It is stupid (and illegal) for the cyclist to be disrupting traffic (by parking his bike crossways in front of the car).

And the pushing? Just bizarre,
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It takes two to tango.

Ok, so someone made a bad turn? Big deal.
NO, the cyclist made it clear he felt unsafe and harassed with extreme tailgating by the motorist.
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NO, the cyclist made it clear he felt unsafe and harassed with extreme tailgating by the motorist.
And that would justify a pushing and yelling match with the motorist?
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NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO!

The car is inanimate; it is not in the wrong. The operator of the car, call him a motorist, driver or any number of less pleasant names, is clearly in the wrong.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine. The language has been subtly changed to exonerate motorists and pretend that the tools they use to kill and maim are behaving badly when it is, in fact, the operators of those tools who are doing so.


Almost like vehicles' have personalities and humans are just robots' with need for responsibility.
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The driver should be charged. You simply can't allow people to use their vehicles in that manner. You want to fight? Get out of the car and do it. Not that I endorse violence in any form, but that would be more acceptable than using a car as a weapon. That's an offense that IMO should be cited no matter who started it.
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And that would justify a pushing and yelling match with the motorist?
When did the cyclist push anybody? Oh, that is right, only the motorist did the pushing and slapping and hitting the bicycle with his car.

Dangerous tailgating by a motorist does justify the cyclist yelling at the dangerous jerk.
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When did the cyclist push anybody? Oh, that is right, only the motorist did the pushing and slapping and hitting the bicycle with his car.

Dangerous tailgating by a motorist does justify the cyclist yelling at the dangerous jerk.
The cyclist forced the driver to stop mid-intersection which is an illegal and dangerous place to stop (we don't see before entering the intersection).

The only way to get around the cyclist is to back up which is often problematic in moving traffic, and can also be dangerous. We don't know if the cyclist had preiously closed holes given by the diver.

They're both clowns
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The cyclist forced the driver to stop mid-intersection which is an illegal and dangerous place to stop (we don't see before entering the intersection).

The only way to get around the cyclist is to back up which is often problematic in moving traffic, and can also be dangerous. We don't know if the cyclist had preiously closed holes given by the diver.

They're both clowns
When the video starts, the driver is on the edge of the intersection, already pushing the cyclist into the intersection. Stop making crap up about the cyclist stopping mid-intersection to block the motorist.

With the time delay in the other driver starting the video, the hole thing likely began at the stop line. But it for sure did not start in the middle of the intersection as you are now trying to blame the cyclist.

Some cyclist are not willing to just crawl into a hole when endangered. For those who do crawl into a hole, stop demeaning those who refuse.
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coming up to that intersection is a steep downhill with a blind crest - I can see a lot of situations happening there. Where some of the story coming out afterwards is a lane change the motorist wasn't happy with, it could have been a lane change after cresting the hill where he wasn't visible, or upset at changing early to avoid that and 'slowing him down'. Regardless, in my view the police should not have needed someone to need to want to 'press charges' to try to get the drivers license suspended for deliberately hitting a bicycle.
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coming up to that intersection is a steep downhill with a blind crest - I can see a lot of situations happening there. Where some of the story coming out afterwards is a lane change the motorist wasn't happy with, it could have been a lane change after cresting the hill where he wasn't visible, or upset at changing early to avoid that and 'slowing him down'. Regardless, in my view the police should not have needed someone to need to want to 'press charges' to try to get the drivers license suspended for deliberately hitting a bicycle.
Absolutely agreed. Whether or not the cyclist did something stupid to aggravate the motorist is, in my opinion, irrelevant: the video clearly shows an assault taking place and the driver ought to have their license suspended and face possible charges.
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Sorry, pet peeve of mine. The language has been subtly changed to exonerate motorists and pretend that the tools they use to kill and maim are behaving badly when it is, in fact, the operators of those tools who are doing so.
Couldn't agree more. It's all too common to hear that a car went off the road, someone was hit by a car, a car hit a tree, a car flipped, crashes routinely called accidents. PC for careless motorists. Try saying someone was killed by a gun and you'll hear that guns don't kill, people do.
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