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Old 01-17-17, 06:25 PM   #1
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Top 75 cycling cities

How did your nearest city fare?
What do you think about the ranking it received?

For me I am surprised that ANY Australian cities made the list and think it is a joke that Perth is listed 25 spots higher than Melbourne and that Adlaide is also ranked higher than Melbourne.
But perhaps my criteria for a cycling city are different to the authors?

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NY, NY is #33? On a list of "list of real two-wheel paradises that are worth visiting."????? WTF.

Has this author ever actually been to NY, NY...nevermind tried to use a bike there?????
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NY, NY is #33? On a list of "list of real two-wheel paradises that are worth visiting."????? WTF.

Has this author ever actually been to NY, NY...nevermind tried to use a bike there?????
The author probably hasn't tried to ride in NYC. Bear in mind that NYC has only twice the anemic rate of cycling that the US has a whole has, so not much of the population of NYC has ridden there either. (1.2% of all NYC commuters use bikes for the majority of their trip on any given day, according to the US Census ACS.)

The list is simply bazaar. I did get a chuckle when SF was listed somewhere lower than PDX and Minneapolis and yet it was credited with being the second most bike friendly American city. It's just a junk list with no real criteria, as far as I can tell.
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How did your nearest city fare?
What do you think about the ranking it received?
I live and bike in Groningen which is No 26, and I don't believe the blogger did actually bother ranking them, certainly not by a set of criteria.

I've lived in Amsterdam for over 2 years and biked there for much more years, but I don't percieve it as a particularly cycling friendly city. I dont percieve Assen, No 31, as a city. Of course Amsterdam and Copenhagen are icons of cycling friendly cities, and rightly so, but that has more to do with their size and international appeal than their cycling friendliness.

If it's about how nice and easy it is to get around by bike Amsterdam isn't that great. I like cycling there, but that's because there's so much going on. But there are just too many cars, mopeds, trams pedestrians and tourists who make cycling an activity that requires quite a lot of attention. Drivers and motorists can be quite aggressive there, a lot of cycling friendly cities have managed not only to calm down traffic, but also the individual drivers and moped riders, the infrastructure of Amsterdam hasn't had that effect. It's not that they are not negotiating space like all road users have to in a cycling city, but they tend to drive a very hard bargain. In Groningen drivers generally have resigned to the fact that hurrying is useless and that when they take it easy they will get out of the city eventually and just as slow.

Bike theft and the number of locks needed doesn't make Amsterdam more cycling friendly either, and finding a space to park your bike is often quite hard, just as remembering where you've put it. There's the tram tracks that you can get stuck in, a lot of arch bridges that are quite steep climbs, and a lot of traffic lights. Does that count? Don't get me wrong, Amsterdam is a great cycling city because it's great and the bike is No 1 transport and has made the city to what it is now: very busy and lively, but it's just not that friendly in the sense that it's easy, relaxed and nice for cyclists.

The point is that a list like this and a ranking is useless without a definition of 'cycling friendly' and criteria to judge the cities by.
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No surprise that Portland, Oregon is on the list (#28). Even the lead photo is of Portland.

What's funny is that it lists San Francisco (#32) as the second most bike friendly city in America, even though both Minneapolis (#18) and Portland come before it. Uh, that would make it third, guys.
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Has this author ever actually been to NY, NY...nevermind tried to use a bike there?????

I have ridden from New Hope, PA to Brooklyn 15 times. Would I want to ride on busy streets and avenues in Midtown Manhattan on a regular basis? Probably not. But NYC is a lot more than Midtown/Times Square.
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Would I want to ride on busy streets and avenues in Midtown Manhattan on a regular basis? Probably not. But NYC is a lot more than Midtown/Times Square.
Going across Midtown on a bicycle is paradise compared to going across Midtown in a car, a cab, an uber, a subway, a bus, or on foot. (Though going between the East River and the Hudson on 30ish street a helicopter might get you there quicker than a bicycle, so long as you've arranged in advance - pretty pricey though.)


Anyhow, amusing list. If I don't look at it as a ranked list I can't quarrel much with many of the cities on the list. There are some that I find missing, but then again, maybe I should put together my own list. I pack my helmet - sometimes you never know when a city will surprise you.

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I have ridden from New Hope, PA to Brooklyn 15 times. Would I want to ride on busy streets and avenues in Midtown Manhattan on a regular basis? Probably not. But NYC is a lot more than Midtown/Times Square.

Not saying you cannot do it....but if you're going to cook a list of "two-wheeled paradises", NYC would pretty much be precisely as far away from a "paradise" for riding as possible. IMHO.

Then again I'm a farm-state lad, with a selection of MUT/streets/country-roads/gravel/dirt practically within walking distance...as opposed to needing to drive 5 hours in traffic to leave the "city" to get to anything other than packed streets/sidewalks/parks
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Izmir / Turkiye is the rising cycling-friendly city of middleeast...
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as opposed to needing to drive 5 hours in traffic to leave the "city" to get to anything other than packed streets/sidewalks/parks

Hyperbole or unfamiliarity with the region? I can drive from Philly to downtown Brooklyn in less than 2 hrs.


Hunterdon County, NJ (one of the wealthiest counties in the entire country), which has beautiful and challenging riding, is reachable from somewhere like Brooklyn in as little as about 1hr. Saw a bear while riding in the county in 2015.


The Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area, which also offers superb riding, is about a 90 min. drive.


And remember that the article is about cities, not rural communities.
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Detroit is mostly known for its rich automotive history. Nevertheless, in the recent years, the city faced a renaissance towards cycling. Not only the locals are putting a lot of effort into turning their city greener and more bike friendly, but the municipality promotes cycling for tourist purposes too. In fact, there are many cycling tours you can join and there is even a 5,5 miles bike path loop that goes past many historical monuments and attractions.
Never heard of it.

EDIT: oops, didn't click through to the description. I don't really consider Belle Isle to be a bike loop through historic monuments. Nice place if I just want to go out on my road bike for exercise, to ride laps, though.

Really isn't that much traffic downtown most of the day, lots of nice wide empty roads for those that like street riding. Just gotta watch out you don't wipe out on discarded CO2 canisters

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Old 01-18-17, 03:51 PM   #12
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I like the list and will be saving it for future reference - thank you very much for posting it. I've ridden in a dozen of the listed cities and have enjoyed it every time, with the ride usually being the most memorable part of my visits.

I'm into the most efficient mode of touring/sightseeing and a bicycle is by far the easiest/fastest/cheapest way to see a city. Outside of the urban areas, where distances are long and parking is free, give me my motorcycle or RV instead.

I lived in NYC for a decade (80's before all the bike lanes/paths have been established) cycling more than I ever have anywhere combined, and I LOVED it. If anything, NYC riding has spoiled rural riding for me as more boring and, if you can believe it, more dangerous. (YMMV of course)
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While I have never been to Davis(CA). That city is on the route for the Tour of California. So, They have to be good there.

While I never lived in Minneapolis(MN #18; I lived in Duluth). The few times I went through Minneapolis on my way to Duluth. I was pleasantly surprised. The Willard Munger Trail goes from Duluth, south to Sandstone. So the state already has a great bike infrastructure.

Washington, D.C. is an absolute joke. Going through Georgetown is awful, unless you are riding in traffic.
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Surprise, surprise...Jacksonville Florida isn't on the list, yet D.C. is #55. I've cycled a lot in D.C. and it's much nicer to cycle around here in Jax.

This list is all about bike share programs and bike paths. Not an all-inclusive list. I'm not saying Jacksonville is a cycling haven, my point is that the author(s) of this list don't really look for the best cities, rather they're more interested in cycling infrastructure.

I like the cities without a lot of cycling infrastructure.
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I just watched the video, which is on the OP's link and it lists Rio de Janeiro, Brazil as number six in the world, yet on that link Rio is listed as #24 in the world...what gives



EDIT: I just looked more closely at the video and the "list" and they don't match at all....
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Old 01-19-17, 05:53 AM   #16
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Watch this film, Bike vs Cars.

http://www.bikes-vs-cars.com/from_the_film

The clips of Rob Ford really discussed me.

LA used to have the best public transportation system in the world but the car industry created shell companies to buy out the transportation companies and slowly dismantled them.

Here's the link to the film.

http://tvo.org/video/documentaries/bikes-vs-cars

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Old 01-19-17, 06:58 AM   #17
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Quick read through the list seems to indicate that the author took a list of cities with a cycle rider and a path (both) and threw them in a bucket, and then picked them in order for this list. His own writing indicates that "even though I put this particular city way the hell down this willy nilly list, it's rated such and such by EVERYONE else".

Given the sheer amount of money and work that has gone into cycling infrastructure and improvements in the Atlanta area, I am rather surprised it didn't at least make an honorable mention.
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a piece of bollocks as most of these ranked lists are. My home town of Munich came 3rd of the german cities (behind Hamburg and Berlin, which is a bit of a joke in itself) and the comment says "Probably the most bike friendly city in Germany" - yeah, right.

A list that ranks Berlin and Hamburg (and even Munich) higher than Groningen *can* not be taken seriously.

Maybe the cities sizes are taken into account, as it is a bit harder making a metropole of >1Mio ppl bike friendly than doing same in a small town with hardly any industry, but then the authors should have said so.

Edit: Bologna placed 59th is an even bigger joke...

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Yeah, best cities by what criteria?
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Hmm possibly this is just taking a view of the more well-known cities? I spent some time cycling around Europe last year, found plenty of bike-friendly smaller cities that didn't make that list.
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The cycling environment is improving in my area from one year to the next. Whether that environment is currently good or not in some particular area, by supporting advocacy initiatives, it will get better as more people take up their bikes. My bike club spends around $50,000 or more annually in such support and is active with state and local government agencies regarding cycling. Of course, Rhode Island is a small state so a few voices acting consistently can have an impact.
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Since my job is studying cities and their people and biking and walking and living in them then I've gotten to visit many of these. I agree with @martl — bollocks.

My quick list (based on EU & NA cities where it is most safe and comfortable for everyone to ride to school, grocery, pharmacy, dinner, etc.):

- Assen (yes, not really a city, but is delightful and my friends Ruud Albers and David Hembrow live there)
- Groningen
- Utrecht
- Oulu
- Eindhoven
- Amsterdam
- Ghent
- Malmo
- Aarhus
- Copenhagen
- Strasbourg
- Munich
- Antwerp
- Seville
- Barcelona
- Vienna
- Montreal
- Portland
- Hamburg
- Davis
- Buenos Aires
- Bordaux

Those are cities that you can safely and comfortably bike in today. There are huge difference between the first and last cities though and all have work to do to catch up to the top 4 or 5. I agree with @Stadjer about Amsterdam.

I'd give honorable mention to Minneapolis, Chicago, New York, Vancouver, and others who are working on becoming more bicycle and pedestrian friendly and safe. They're not there yet but are making good progress.

Actually, all of these, including Groningen and Assen have work to do. Groningen have a roundabout where you have to sort of mix with cars (painted bike lanes around the outside) that is, compared to much of the rest of the city, bordering on terrifying. I've also been tailgated by a bus there on a shared street and that wasn't comfortable.

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a piece of bollocks as most of these ranked lists are. My home town of Munich came 3rd of the german cities (behind Hamburg and Berlin, which is a bit of a joke in itself) and the comment says "Probably the most bike friendly city in Germany" - yeah, right.

A list that ranks Berlin and Hamburg (and even Munich) higher than Groningen *can* not be taken seriously.

Maybe the cities sizes are taken into account, as it is a bit harder making a metropole of >1Mio ppl bike friendly than doing same in a small town with hardly any industry, but then the authors should have said so.
And is it? One could argue that a widespread city like Berlin has distances too long to be cycling friendly, but then you should take the weather and hills in account too. On the other hand Berlin has a lot of space for cycle lanes. And Barcelon is quite a metropole, but very compact, one could cycle across it in half an hour.

So if we define cycling friendliness as the positive man made characteristics regarding cycling, a mandatory helmet law would count against cycling friendliness. When I was in Hamburg quite a long time ago and we rented extremely crappy bikes from the hostel (basically they forgot about their advertised rental service for years) and the lady who managed to find the bikes and a pump said something about helmets. In hindsight they were probably mandatory in Hamburg. You know if that was and is still the case?

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Actually, all of these, including Groningen and Assen have work to do. Groningen have a roundabout where you have to sort of mix with cars (painted bike lanes around the outside) that is, compared to much of the rest of the city, bordering on terrifying. I've also been tailgated by a bus there on a shared street and that wasn't comfortable.
Sounds like you have a nice job. I bought a bike in Assen and decided to cycle back to Groningen last august, but I got lost in those spaghetti and coliflower neighbourhoods, but the rest seemed very cycling friendly.

There a few more problem spots in Groningen, although I don't know this roundabout. It's probably something that comes with city planning like that, if you move the buses and the cars out of the way, you will end up with spots where a lot of them will meet with a lot of cyclists. The buses will be banned from the west of the city centre very soon, and the teribble crossing between the korreweg and ebbinge will be changed the next time maintenaince is due I guess.
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And is it? One could argue that a widespread city like Berlin has distances too long to be cycling friendly, but then you should take the weather and hills in account too. On the other hand Berlin has a lot of space for cycle lanes. And Barcelon is quite a metropole, but very compact, one could cycle across it in half an hour.

So if we define cycling friendliness as the positive man made characteristics regarding cycling, a mandatory helmet law would count against cycling friendliness. When I was in Hamburg quite a long time ago and we rented extremely crappy bikes from the hostel (basically they forgot about their advertised rental service for years) and the lady who managed to find the bikes and a pump said something about helmets. In hindsight they were probably mandatory in Hamburg. You know if that was and is still the case?
Absolutely not. No such thing as mandatory hats here in D.

i'd rate a cities "bike-friendliness" by factors like:

- willingness of the people to use bikes (40%) "non-car-culture"
- willingness of the authorities to push bike use (20%) "spending"
- competence of the authorities in doing so (20%) "implementation"
- city layout, as in: how many of all daily trips are in the cycleable range <5km (15%)
- topology, weather (5%)

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I'd give honorable mention to Minneapolis, Chicago, New York, Vancouver, and others who are working on becoming more bicycle and pedestrian friendly and safe. They're not there yet but are making good progress.
Living halfway between Minneapolis and Chicago, it's nice to see them mentioned, not just here but in other threads as well. We're also on the "not there yet but making progress" list. The city and county continue to add infrastructure, and word is getting out that a hard winter isn't an insurmountable obstacle to increasing bike use, both for utility and recreation.
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