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Old 01-23-17, 02:29 PM   #26
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http://legislature.vermont.gov/asset...Introduced.pdf

I asked on her FB page why she wants to introduce this...
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Wouldn't a sticker be easy to remove by a bike thief?


They are pretty tough stickers. You have to fill out a form on line with your info. The serial # is now in the PD database so they can go by serial# and cross reference it to the owner at time of registration.
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Old 01-23-17, 03:57 PM   #28
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So what happens if I come to Hawaii on holiday and want to bring my bike?
Let's say only a couple of days stop over? Before I go riding I need to find a police station and register my bike?
My suggestion would be to carry your plane ticket and return reservation with you on the bicycle. May or may not help depending on the cop. For the most part, our push back on the HPD bicycle patrol ended the search out and confiscate program.

But about 50% of the cops here are jerks. One of our military spouses who had been here for only about a month, got her bicycle in time to do a local triathlon race. HPD off duty cops were hired for traffic control. One HPD officer signaled a car to drive through from a side street, violating the cyclist right of way. The car driver hit the cyclist. The HPD officer saw the bicycle did not have a registration sticker and confiscated the bicycle while the woman was in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. The collision was the HPD officers fault. Way to treat our military folks HPD.
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I moved back to HI in 96 and brought my Paramount with me. Never bothered to register it. Only problem I had was once I was refused entry to Ford Island. Gate guard said XO ordered them to check bikes and not let any unregistered ones on base.

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I moved back to HI in 96 and brought my Paramount with me. Never bothered to register it. Only problem I had was once I was refused entry to Ford Island. Gate guard said XO ordered them to check bikes and not let any unregistered ones on base.

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Yet, none of the shipyard or command bicycles are registered. Sort of the same situation that you do not have to wear a helmet on base if you are riding a shipyard or command bicycle.
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When I was little we had to register our bikes in St. Petersburg, FL. I think it was only for theft ID. They put a sticker about the size of a stamp on the bike. The regulation didn't last long.
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They are pretty tough stickers. You have to fill out a form on line with your info. The serial # is now in the PD database so they can go by serial# and cross reference it to the owner at time of registration.

On second thought, it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the registration included:

1) GPS locator to locate lost or stolen bicycles;
2) registrants are guaranteed their place on all roads with special privileges that bars and disallows motorists from lane-sharing;
3) power to ticket motor vehicle offenses;
4) added perks from the city and local merchants to encourage bicycle ridership

All paid for by increases and additions to motor-vehicle fees, of course.
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One of the few good things the Germans ever did during the occupation of the Netherlands in WW II was abolishing bicycle registration and taxes. It was so hated that it was never reinstated after the war. Nowadays it would be political suicide to propose such a thing here.
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If they ever passed something like that were I'm from I would be a pain. I would be calling for every pot holes where I ride, debris on the side of the road or anything else that is detrimental to cycling. If I have to pay then I want something from it also.
You already are paying for the roads you ride on...go ahead and make the calls to your local city/county street dept to get these fixed. I think you would be amazed at the overall responsiveness of the city to address trash, graffiti, water leaks, abandoned cars, and potholes, etc.
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Here was her response to my FB query:

Weed in the House -- Why did I submitted a bill that proposes to require bicycles to be registered in Vermont? The reason: several constituents asked me to do it. Therefore, I submitted a "by request" piece of legislation last week and it was assigned to the Transportation committee. A “by request” bill means that it was requested by a constituent but one that a legislator is not actually in favor of. As a state representative, I am the link between my constituents and state government. Therefore, as a representative, I always want to make sure that my constituents are heard and that their input is acted upon. Every proposed bill is directed to a committee to undergo the committee process and receive testimony both pro and con. The bills that are acted upon must pass both the House and Senate and be signed by the governor to become law. Others are not taken up and “die on the wall” at the end of the session. This process starts over each biennium.
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But isn't Hawaii's registration scheme to assist with the return of lost and stolen bicycles rather than providing a permit to ride a bicycle on a public road?
In the 1980's it was, but it was not a state-wide program. I had a red Honolulu sticker/license on my bike. It was definitely not a mandatory thing: It was to increase the likelihood of return if the police found your bike after it had been stolen.
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Here was her response to my FB query:

Weed in the House -- Why did I submitted a bill that proposes to require bicycles to be registered in Vermont? The reason: several constituents asked me to do it. Therefore, I submitted a "by request" piece of legislation last week and it was assigned to the Transportation committee. A “by request” bill means that it was requested by a constituent but one that a legislator is not actually in favor of. As a state representative, I am the link between my constituents and state government. Therefore, as a representative, I always want to make sure that my constituents are heard and that their input is acted upon. Every proposed bill is directed to a committee to undergo the committee process and receive testimony both pro and con. The bills that are acted upon must pass both the House and Senate and be signed by the governor to become law. Others are not taken up and “die on the wall” at the end of the session. This process starts over each biennium.
That's interesting. Now, as a constituent, you can gather like-minded neighbours and friends who are bicycle riders to have many more "by request" bicycle-friendly, pedestrian-protecting, environmentally responsible, car-inhibiting bills proposed.
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That's interesting. Now, as a constituent, you can gather like-minded neighbours and friends who are bicycle riders to have many more "by request" bicycle-friendly, pedestrian-protecting, environmentally responsible, car-inhibiting bills proposed.
This has always been the way it is. Just that most people don't bother. A hefty portion of them would rather just rant about the issues on a specialist internet forum...

To be fair, though -- many less scrupulous state legislators will just say that they are not willing to support a proposal, or ignore such requests. One has a right to petition for advocacy, but gov't doesn't have any obligation to act on it.
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That's interesting. Now, as a constituent, you can gather like-minded neighbours and friends who are bicycle riders to have many more "by request" bicycle-friendly, pedestrian-protecting, environmentally responsible, car-inhibiting bills proposed.
Worth while project to flood them with wish list bills to limit their time pushing crap bills.
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Wouldn't "wish list bills" be doing just that? Wasting their time with crap bills.
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Wouldn't "wish list bills" be doing just that? Wasting their time with crap bills.
Are you saying cycling wish list bills like bike lanes and 3' passing are crap bills?
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If there is no enforcement of them then yes they are.
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If there is no enforcement of them then yes they are.
That's small potatoes.

Even if you get rid of all bicycles, it wouldn't change the 30,000 deaths a year due to motorists.

The real problem is traffic enforcement.
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Bike registration seems antithetical to the Vermont spirit. But I suppose things change when too many people's first reaction to any problem is "There ought to be a law!"


I'll be happy to support bicycle registration, licensing or similar notions if and when:
  • Law enforcement take bicycle theft as seriously as automobile theft.
  • Accidents/offenses caused by motor vehicle drivers that affect cyclists and pedestrians are taken as seriously as motor vehicle-to-motor vehicle accidents/offenses.
  • Bike lanes and shoulders are maintained as well as main roads.
  • Driver education in the US is improved to be equal to at least our fellow third world nations.
  • Mandatory citations and penalties for drivers who invoke "My taxes pay for the right to drive this way, your bicycle doesn't".
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Bike registration seems antithetical to the Vermont spirit. But I suppose things change when too many people's first reaction to any problem is "There ought to be a law!"


I'll be happy to support bicycle registration, licensing or similar notions if and when:
  • Law enforcement take bicycle theft as seriously as automobile theft.
  • Accidents/offenses caused by motor vehicle drivers that affect cyclists and pedestrians are taken as seriously as motor vehicle-to-motor vehicle accidents/offenses.
  • Bike lanes and shoulders are maintained as well as main roads.
  • Driver education in the US is improved to be equal to at least our fellow third world nations.
  • Mandatory citations and penalties for drivers who invoke "My taxes pay for the right to drive this way, your bicycle doesn't".
Add to those, my post (#32)

On second thought, it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the registration included:

1) GPS locator to locate lost or stolen bicycles;
2) registrants are guaranteed their place on all roads with special privileges that bars and disallows motorists from lane-sharing;
3) power to ticket motor vehicle offenses;
4) added perks from the city and local merchants to encourage bicycle ridership
5) income tax and property tax reduction

All paid for by increases and additions to motor-vehicle fees, of course.
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Old 02-06-17, 06:12 PM   #46
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And on top of that, when several cyclist with the Hawaii Bicycle League (HBL) met with the head of the Honolulu Police Department (HPD) bicycle patrol force, he proudly declared how the bicycle force routinely went out to confiscate bicycles that were not registered.
I thought of this thread today when I stopped to look at an old Fuji in the rack at work. It was sporting a 1979 registration sticker from Honolulu.
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