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Old 01-23-17, 01:21 AM   #1
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legit crash, poor riding, or lawsuit set up ?

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Old 01-23-17, 01:34 AM   #2
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I hit a crack like that 3 years ago.
Landed on my head.

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Old 01-23-17, 03:47 AM   #3
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There's no doubt that a crack like that can bring a rider down. But he does manage to wobble a surprisingly long distance before toppling over though.


Can still be perfectly legit.
Saw a rider right ahead of me lose his chain on takeoff from a light.
Ended up draped of the bars like a sack of potatoes.
He too managed an impressively long wobble before losing out to gravity.
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Those kinds of seams are a real trap for cyclists.

They are deep enough to turn your wheel and lock it so you can't balance the bike.

They can also be hard to notice. (That road showed a lot of filled-in one earlier, which would have been no problem crossing).
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Old 01-23-17, 07:45 AM   #5
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Very lucky, almost hit his head on a mailbox.
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Looks like a legitimate crash to me. I don't see where he is planing on suing anyone. Why bring it up in the thread title?
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I've hit those, on my narrow tire bike, and went down just as fast... it those sorts of things, that suddenly pop up, that convinced me to commute w fatter tires. 1.9 in. If I am squeezed due to traffic situation, AND watching that traffic, there is no way to also see such road hazards.
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I agree it looks like a legitimate crash. Once the wheel is stuck in the crack you lose all steering/balance control and it can be hard to recover even if the wheel later pops out of the crack. Had a rider crash on one of our club rides last year due to a similar crack. AIRC, she broke her wrist on one side and her arm on the other which made it very difficult to do almost anything for quite awhile. We reported the incident to the city and they filled the crack the next day.
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One of the guys that frequents the LBS, during the 2015 Rosarito to Ensenada ride:


Watch it in slow motion. It's tremendous. Those skinny tire fit right in those cracks.
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A 'legitimate' crash? Is that now a thing? WTF is a 'legitimate' crash?
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I am going with a little bit of poor riding. Neither one of them seemed to be able to hold a decent line in the video.
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A 'legitimate' crash? Is that now a thing? WTF is a 'legitimate' crash?
Perhaps the OP thinks that it was staged in order to file suit. Crazy!
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Old 01-23-17, 11:54 AM   #13
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I would think that deserves a suit anyway.

Those kind of joints should either be signed with a warning or changed. They can pull car tires in a similar way, I've seen at least one accident from a similar set-up. Joint pulled the wheel and the driver panicked at the unexpected feedback and over-corrected into a parked car.
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I am going with a little bit of poor riding. Neither one of them seemed to be able to hold a decent line in the video.
That's something else. People able to hold a line are not going to fair any better if their wheel drops into a seam.

(Not holding a good line (weaving back and forth) is more likely to cause the wheel to cross straight seams at a better angle.)
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That's something else. People able to hold a line are not going to fair any better if their wheel drops into a seam.

(Not holding a good line (weaving back and forth) is more likely to cause the wheel to cross straight seams at a better angle.)
Right. Although had he held his line properly, he wouldn't have put his tire in that seam as he wouldn't have been close to it.
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I went down in a crack like that by the NYC South Street Seaport last year. Luckily it was in a crowded area so I was only going about 5mph at the time. I landed on my hip and hands but didn't really get hurt, just had the wind knocked out of me. I was riding 32mm tires so it wasn't a skinny tire problem, the gap was just too big. It was an expansion joint where most of the joint was filled, but the filling was missing for a few feet right where I crossed. Oops. Not planning on suing anybody.
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These seams are one of the most dangerous of stuff cyclists face. We used to make sure to call out a warning on group rides, and as always it pays to be alert and watchful. But I think we could not afford to fix all the ****ty seams that exist in the world at this time, so if you pay attention they are easy enough to avoid.
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Right. Although had he held his line properly, he wouldn't have put his tire in that seam as he wouldn't have been close to it.
People who can hold their line ride into seams too.
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It was just a moment of dumb, we all have them. One of his just happened to be recorded.

Yes, I think it was light. If it were staged he would have at least waited until the area was clear. The trailer looked a bit close.
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Poor riding skills or group communications.
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One of the guys that frequents the LBS, during the 2015 Rosarito to Ensenada ride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaKBN-hGkaU

Watch it in slow motion. It's tremendous. Those skinny tire fit right in those cracks.
Yeeeesh. The guy in blue catches a wobble in the seam too, trying to look back.

(Note to self: Stop drafting in local casual group rides.)
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Legit crash. No reason to think otherwise. Read the YouTube comments -- it explains it all. Inexperienced rider, but a momentary lapse that could happen to anyone following the leader.

Speaking of which, not to criticize anyone in that particular video, but in group rides the leader(s) and more experienced riders should brief everyone in advance about route hazards and signals to indicate when and where it's safe to draft and when/where to back off, get more separation and clear sight lines. Our local nighttime group rides have similar issues, with some routes along roads that catch folks off guard if they're not as familiar with the road hazards as the group leader(s).
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A momentary lapse in focus and BAM! It happened to me last fall. Heck we've all probably been there too.

Doesn't look intentional to me.
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There was a thread some time ago. About making sure, a cyclist is not parallel to seams like that.
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He's also moving his hands around on the bars a lot so I imagine that he was unable to control things when it started to go wrong.

If he's really not comfortable on the hoods, then he needs his fit set up checked. To be riding in line with someone without your brakes in reach is pretty sketchy.
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