unterhausen

the logic of saying that the cyclist was in the way and not noting that the motorist stopped in the middle of the road twice because there was no other traffic is showing a rather ridiculous bias. The motorist needs a serious attitude readjustment

Chris0516

I agree that the cyclist's 'choice of language', was not great. It pales in comparison to the driver's actions.

I remember that kind of situation happening to me on several occasions. Where someone tried to use their car in a confrontational manner.

howsteepisit

As far as I am concerned the driver attempted to strike the rider with his vehicle; he should be charged with assault and battery. While I do not believe in swearing and flipping, there is a large difference between speech and gestures and assault. It appears to me that road rage has become a legitimizing claim for bizarre and dangerous anti-social behavior.

jon c. 

Yielding is a function of right of way. One yields to another user when that user has the right of way. In this case, the cyclist has the right of way and thus should not yield. These are the rules of the road and they work best when they are followed. When I hit a four way stop, I don't want other users to yield to me when they in fact have the right of way. It just causes confusion. When you have the right of way, there is no reason to yield and every reason not to. If everyone just follows the rules of the road, there won't be any issues. It's really a pretty simple concept.

CB HI

Simple for some, incomprehensible for others.

prathmann

No, it came much later, at 1:04. I think you can see the one-finger salute in the corner of the screen as the cyclist looks back after the driver had gotten out of his car and accosted him. In one post you accused the cyclist of escalating the situation, but by the time he uses profanity and shoots the finger he has already been pushed toward the curb by the driver swerving into his path which was certainly done in a threatening manner (i.e. assault). Uttering some impolite words and gestures in response to multiple assaults with a deadly weapon is hardly an escalation.

I can see some logic to both your 'get out of there fast' approach and the less appeasing approach taken by the cyclist in this encounter. Certainly it's safer to get out of the situation quickly, but giving in to an aggressor by getting out of their way is frequently not the most natural reaction with the adrenaline rush from feeling threatened.

Similar to the advice to just hand over the money and jewelry to a mugger so you're less likely to get hurt. Yes, that's probably safest for the individual involved, but I'm actually glad not everyone reacts that way. Overall I think it's good that muggers can't be sure they won't encounter someone who fights back or raises enough of an alarm to attract the attention of others.

Milton Keynes

This time, this driver. However, get someone with severe rage issues or who doesn't realize the cyclist has a camera on his helmet, and who knows what would have happened?

Chris0516

The only vehicle(s) he has to yield to, are Police/Fire/EMS, just like motorists'. Because it is the law. 'Taking the lane' is his his legal right.

trailangel

OMG...! Ya'll so touchie....

When somebody almost runs a stop but stops at the last minute... I don't keep looking back at them..... I ride on. Something else happened.

Show me the law that says because a Sharrow is painted on the road, it means you ride right where the Sharrow is painted, instead of yielding to other vehicles..sharing the road. It works both ways. Is that painted Sharrow your savior?

atbman

May I respectfully refer you to Wisconsin traffic regulations re cyclists:
Perhaps you could let us know how he was disobeying the law in his state? Or why your opinion should take precedence over said law?

Skankingbiker

Happy to oblige. See bold text below in particular

City of Madison street regulations:

Bicycle boulevards are low speed, low (motor vehicle) traffic volume, local streets that are designated for use primarily by bicyclists. Motor vehicles are welcome on bicycle boulevards. Special blue street signs and shared lane (sharrow) pavement markings signify that motor vehicles must be attentive to the large numbers of cyclists and lower their speeds.

https://www.cityofmadison.com/bikema...boulevards.cfm

Sharrows are pavement markings installed in travel lanes,
reminding motorists that they should expect to see and
share the road with bicyclists by slowing down and passing
only when safe, giving at least three feet of clearance when
passing.

Sharrows can be used on a variety of street types. They may
be used on busier streets where we would prefer to have
bicycle lanes but do not have the space for these, or they
can be used on lower volume streets where we are
encouraging bicycle traffic (bicycle boulevards).

In areas with on‐street parking, sharrows help bicyclists
position themselves within the lane so as to avoid being hit
by a suddenly opened car door. Although it is the motorist’s
responsibility to check for bicyclists or other traffic before
opening their door, riding too close to parked cars is still a
common mistake that can lead to serious injury.
Sharrows are also used to help bicyclists position themselves
in a lane near an intersection to avoid turning movement
crashes such as the “right hook”.

What do sharrows mean for bicyclists and drivers?
Bicyclists:
Use the sharrow to guide where you ride within the lane—
generally through the center of the sharrow.
Remember not to ride too close to parked cars—watch for
opening doors.
Be aware of your surroundings and follow the rules of the
road.
Drivers:
Expect to see bicyclists on the street.
Remember to give bicyclists space when passing. At least
three feet of clearance is required.
Be aware of your surroundings and follow the rules of the
road.
For more information: email traffic@cityofmadison.com
or visit our website at www. cityofmadison.com

https://www.cityofmadison.com/traffi...arrowFlyer.pdf

Skankingbiker

jon c. 

The sharrow indicates your right of way. The rules of the road are pretty clear and unambiguous. Other users yield to users with the right of way. That's how it works. You don't "yield" when you have the right of way. Rules work best when they are followed. If you choose to improvise, you just create confusion. Following the established rules of the road keeps the road safe for all users. Just seems odd to me to suggest otherwise.

trailangel

Oh my. Out here in LA LA LAND ... land of the cars..... even if you have the Sharrows slower vehicles need to move to the right and let others pass.
Are you sure ya'll aren't uptight because the Packers choked....

Skankingbiker

If by "choked" you mean couldn't perform when 1/2 their team was injured....nope. They gave us a great run and it would have been more heartbreaking to see them lose in the S.B. They have us a great 2nd half of the season and postseason.

CB HI

Packers and fans seem to be more loyal than CA teams.

And the driver completely blew through the stop sign, he did NOT make a last minute stop behind the stop sign as your prior post falsely implies.

rossiny

He can still obtain a lawyer and sue for attempted assault. Don't know the back ground of what happen but when u crowd some one with a car it is a deadly weapon. ..

B. Carfree

If the driver advances two more steps what happens will involve a medical transport, a tow truck, cops and I'll be late to work. Don't ask how I know that.

Not a common occurrence for me to have to deal with a rager who will actually get out of his vehicle. Perhaps my being 6'2", 185 lbs, fit, trained and not the slightest bit intimidated by someone who cannot control his temper has a calming affect on people. Even the methed-up sleep-deprived truck driver who got out of his rig with a crow bar decided to not take those last two steps. I must be like one of those wave machines they used to sell to help people sleep.

prathmann

Not true. The law in California regarding Sharrows is the same as in Wisconsin. Sharrows are placed on lanes such as the one shown in the video which are too narrow for a car and a bicycle to safely share side-by-side. That's one of the exceptions to the 'far to the right' rule and allows the bicyclist to use the entire lane.

trailangel

Try that sometime and let me know how it works out for you.

CB HI

I have been doing it for years and it has worked well for me.

You sound like someone who has never cycle commuted during rush hour and tried such riding that many have done successfully for ages.

trailangel

I would have been up on the sidewalk in a heartbeat and just kept rolling...... let the driver drive up on the sidewalk.
I don't have any of these experiences..... I think they see my gray hair and crazy eye and decide it ain't worth the trouble.

prathmann

It's been working fine for the last few hundred thousand miles and I expect it to continue to work well for the next few.

CB HI

And if you are a commuting cyclist with the same drivers on the same road at the same time everyday, you either train them how to properly behave or you spend all of your time riding on the sidewalk.

sumgy

It is good to see that anti-cyclist cyclists dont just live in Australia.