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Old 01-23-17, 11:58 AM   #1
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Motorists accosts cyclist for using bike boulevard as intended

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Too bad the cyclist sunk to the same poor language and "signaling" skills as that motorist... it implies road rage on both their parts.

You have to just smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
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The driver literally ran him off the road on 2 occasions. I'd be scared for my life and swearing as well.
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I suspect here is more to this video than is published. The rider sees red car on left and looks to left several times like they have just had a previous encounter on another street.
I don't know about how you ride, but when I go past a car at intersection, I don't keep looking back at it.
Plus... rider not yielding to car.....riding right in the middle of the road.....and I don't car if there on Sharrows painted in the street.
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I suspect here is more to this video than is published. The rider sees red car on left and looks to left several times like they have just had a previous encounter on another street.
I don't know about how you ride, but when I go past a car at intersection, I don't keep looking back at it.
Plus... rider not yielding to car.....riding right in the middle of the road.....and I don't car if there on Sharrows painted in the street.
The red car was pulling out, then came to a stop, well into the street... I think I might also keep an eye on a motorist that had done that... In fact, I would likely also honk at said motorist just to indicate that "I see you."

The actions that follow are quite aggressive on the part of the motorist... passing on the wrong side of the road to try to cut off the cyclist, twice... not exactly "sharing the road" behaviour.

The motorist shows no acknowledgement of the sharrows, nor the cyclists right to be on the road... and instead demonstrates classic road rage.

If not for the return F U of the cyclist and the finger, this vid would be great for a courtroom.
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I don't know about how you ride, but when I go past a car at intersection, I don't keep looking back at it.
Plus... rider not yielding to car.....riding right in the middle of the road.....and I don't car if there on Sharrows painted in the street.
Sure - if the driver of the car at the intersection appears to be following the vehicle code and is therefore not a threat. In this case the driver went well past the Stop sign and into the intersection before deciding that he couldn't zip into the street ahead of the cyclist. Given that behavior by the motorist I'd be keeping a close eye on him as well. Note that the GoPro and similar cameras give an extreme wide-angle view. As the warnings on convex mirrors say "objects are much closer than they appear." And the cyclist is not riding anywhere near the middle of the road but rather in the position recommended by the Sharrow placement. Any farther to the right would put him dangerously close to the door zone where an unexpected opening could throw the cyclist right into the path of a car that happens to pass at that moment.
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I suspect here is more to this video than is published. The rider sees red car on left and looks to left several times like they have just had a previous encounter on another street.
I don't know about how you ride, but when I go past a car at intersection, I don't keep looking back at it.
Plus... rider not yielding to car.....riding right in the middle of the road.....and I don't car if there on Sharrows painted in the street.
You have start to finish video and YOU still want to blame the cyclist for the motorist hate. Simply unbelievable, you even take it farther than most anti-cyclist cyclist here have done before.
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Rap, the markings on the street are actually to indicate that this road is a "bike boulevard;" cyclists are well within their rights to use the entire lane on such a road, regardless of the presence of parked cars.

This driver (Alexander Wood of Madison, WI) is simply a dickheaded ****bucket; I'm reading on facebook that he is also well-known for running stop signs and sarcastically waving at people who call him out for it. He doesn't deserve to be on the road in any capacity.
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This motorist drives around constantly mad, because the only car he could afford is a small Scion.
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This is where pepper spray would have been a good option.
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This is where pepper spray would have been a good option.
The video camera stopped the motorist as soon as he saw it on the cyclist. At time :53 sec the motorist sees camera, stops dead in his tracks, shuts his mouth and goes straight back to his car not saying another word.
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I am the angry motorist. I am not the owner of Wildwood Productions. I wanted to you to pull over and confront you because you flipped me off and then spit on my car. You can hear me ask, "Why did you spit on my car?" as I got out of it. I don't think it's acceptable to behave like. We have to share the road. Why couldn't you have moved over just a little to the right? Why were you almost on the yellow line? Why is it OK for you to flip me off? Why is it OK for you to spit on my car?
I'm sorry I lost my temper.

Alison Caldwell 2 hours ago
Wait, hang on. You broke the law by failing to stop at a stop sign, THEN you attempted to verbally berate and intimidate the bicyclist for operating his bicycle legally in a shared lane, THEN you attempt to physically hit him with your vehicle....because he upset you by flipping you off? In case you haven't noticed, failure to yield and assault with a motor vehicle are both illegal - but flipping someone off, spitting in their direction, and legally using a driving lane designated for shared use are not. If you're going to excuse your behavior with "I lost my temper", you probably shouldn't be driving.

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You're right. It's not acceptable to behave like that. You are expected to come to a complete stop at a stop sign AND yield the right-of-way to cross traffic before carefully proceeding through the intersection. You also failed to properly use your turn indicators. Beyond his right to take the whole lane, the cyclist had no reasonable expectation that you would violate the law in this manner. It is OK for him to flip you off, as the First Amendment of the Constitution of The United States provides every individual the right to free expression, even though it may be distasteful to some. It may also have to do something with you almost killing him with your car and the resultant adrenaline rush to his brain that has been known to impair judgement. He may have spit on your car (the video nor audio clearly support that assertion), but I fail to see how this caused you harm. Birds occasionally urinate and defecate on my car. I just wash it and try to remember not to park under certain trees. I don't look for opportunities to run them over.

I'm glad you feel remorse for losing your temper. However, you have to realize your part in creating this situation.

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You are seriously unbalanced, dude. Not only was this guy well within his rights to be biking where he was, but you behaved downright dangerously. It's not hard to see why he got so defensive, the way you were threatening him with your car. You behaved illegally and dangerously.

Cyclists deal with this **** all the ****ing time. I can't understate how scary it is for someone to come at you with their car like this. It's only happened to me a handful of times, but when it does happen, it triggers some scary-ass fight-or-flight stuff in me. The way you trapped him, ran him out of the lane, threatened to hit him with your ****ing car? Jesus ****ing Christ, dude. My heart's racing just watching this video from my desk.

We can all theorize about how he should or shouldn't have acted differently, but I have to say, as someone who's been in similar situations, there's a deep psychological impulse to ****ing protect yourself at all costs when someone threatens your life like that. You cornered him -- what did you think he was going to do? I have zero sympathy for you. It's one thing to flip someone off or swear at them, and another entirely to physically threaten their safety the way you did.

You need help, dude.
The video clearly shows the motorist lost his temper before any bird or spit might have flown.


Run me off the road and then charge at me, expect more than the bird and spit on your car.


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The video camera stopped the motorist as soon as he saw it on the cyclist. At time :53 sec the motorist sees camera, stops dead in his tracks, shuts his mouth and goes straight back to his car not saying another word.
And then proceeds to run yet another stop sign... f'n just amazing...
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Of course on the flip side... nobody was hurt, so the police just are not going to do a thing...
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My opinion....

Both are in the wrong to varying degrees. If one encounters a situation like this it is best to not escalate. Ignore and get out of the way...or go the opposite way if threatened. If it were me, I would have gone up on the sidewalk and stopped, waited and then see what the motorist did. If he came at me in a threatening manner and I hadn't done anything then it is get out of there while dialing 911 with the GoPro rolling.

That rider (maybe) had no idea what that driver was going to do, unless of course they have a "history". What good comes from losing your cool, cussing, etc? None.


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I suspect here is more to this video than is published. The rider sees red car on left and looks to left several times like they have just had a previous encounter on another street.
I don't know about how you ride, but when I go past a car at intersection, I don't keep looking back at it.
Plus... rider not yielding to car.....riding right in the middle of the road.....and I don't car if there on Sharrows painted in the street.
The driver had a stop sign. The cyclist didn't. Its a designated bike blvd. and there was a line of parked cars on the right. he was keeping 3 ft to the left of the cars, which is allowed under state law.
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My opinion....

Both are in the wrong to varying degrees. If one encounters a situation like this it is best to not escalate. Ignore and get out of the way...or go the opposite way if threatened. If it were me, I would have gone up on the sidewalk and stopped, waited and then see what the motorist did. If he came at me in a threatening manner and I hadn't done anything then it is get out of there while dialing 911 with the GoPro rolling.

That rider (maybe) had no idea what that driver was going to do, unless of course they have a "history". What good comes from losing your cool, cussing, etc? None.


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No. Bullies don't love me. The last time something like that happened to me was, heck, a long time ago. And no, getting away from a nut case is not "encouraging them". I have far too much to lose to risk me and my bike going up against a 2,000 lb steel car and a driver with an attitude.

I ride assertively and safely. I don't get bullied on the road but I do give way to traffic when needed. I used to commute to work every day and rarely had something like that happen to me. Not even remotely close. The more prevalent issues were drivers not paying attention so I pay attention for them. That's called assertive safe riding in my book.

Suppose that red car had a gun and used it just to "show him a thing or two"? What if that red car hadn't judged the distance right and squished him against the parked cars? Is it really worth sticking to your line when an automobile is threatening you? No, it simply isn't worth it.
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No. Bullies don't love me. The last time something like that happened to me was, heck, a long time ago. And no, getting away from a nut case is not "encouraging them". I have far too much to lose to risk me and my bike going up against a 2,000 lb steel car and a driver with an attitude.

I ride assertively and safely. I don't get bullied on the road but I do give way to traffic when needed. I used to commute to work every day and rarely had something like that happen to me. Not even remotely close. The more prevalent issues were drivers not paying attention so I pay attention for them. That's called assertive safe riding in my book.
Gee, assertive safe riding on a bike boulevard is exactly what the cyclist was doing... just before the motorist almost ran the stop sign, was part way into the street, and then AGGRESSIVELY pursued and cut off the cyclist, twice.
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Precisely my point!!

Get the he11 out of there!! The guy was a nut case. Dial 911 and give a good description so that the 911 operator has it on record if it gets to that point. My point is, if one is threatened on a bike by a car and motorist and you have done nothing wrong, get the heck out of there so you aren't injured.



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When one's life is threatened, one does not often behave calmly and rationally.
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True enough. I watched that video three more times. If the rider gave the red car the finger, as stated above, it probably happened at 0:08 in the video.

Ok, I'll admit in my younger years I was known to give that one-finger salute on occasion; however, a friend of mine who I respect highly said just don't do it. He said all you'll do is infuriate a rational driver, pi55 off a hot head and make a nut case go postal. The issue, he said, is you don't know which one you're dealing with so why take the chance? I stopped giving the finger decades ago and have rarely had any issues since.
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True enough. I watched that video three more times. If the rider gave the red car the finger, as stated above, it probably happened at 0:08 in the video.

Ok, I'll admit in my younger years I was known to give that one-finger salute on occasion; however, a friend of mine who I respect highly said just don't do it. He said all you'll do is infuriate a rational driver, pi55 off a hot head and make a nut case go postal. The issue, he said, is you don't know which one you're dealing with so why take the chance? I stopped giving the finger decades ago and have rarely had any issues since.
No it happened after the motorist pulled along side and started to tell the cyclist to get out of his way.

After this encounter, the motorist is the one who will think twice about how he behaves around cyclist. Probably will not solve his dangerous stop sign running though.

And according to your dire claims, you should already be dead from your finger flipping. So I guess you are wrong.
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Too bad the cyclist sunk to the same poor language and "signaling" skills as that motorist... it implies road rage on both their parts.

You have to just smile and wave boys, smile and wave.




yup, smile and wave at the person trying to kill you.
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Ok, I'm wrong.

I wouldn't "wave at the person trying to kill me" but I wouldn't continue down the street after they dangerously cut me off twice before and then got out of their car to threaten me. I'd get myself out of that dangerous situation as fast as possible.




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