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Old 01-27-17, 12:22 AM   #26
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I'm not referring to some random incident with a "citizen", but Tom Zebra specifically. One only needs to Google his name to come up with page after page of incidents and videos of conflicts with police.


The cyclist in this video is Tom Zebra. As you can see in the video, being a "professional provocateur" consists of obeying the law and riding your bike down the street lawfully.
Is that how you provoke the police ? By obeying the law ?
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Another evil provocateur:
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The cyclist in this video is Tom Zebra. As you can see in the video, being a "professional provocateur" consists of obeying the law and riding your bike down the street lawfully.
Is that how you provoke the police ? By obeying the law ?
Sorry, I'm not going to play your game as anyone interested in the truth can answer that question for themselves in a few minutes.
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Sovereign citizens believe the law doesn't apply to them. This cyclist was following the law and not breaking the law.


It was the cop who didn't know the law and who violated the law in pulling over the cyclist.


How does it feel to be educated ?
Do you not read or do you just like typing your point across?

Cyclist still gives me a similar feel to a sovereign citizen, like he's dangerous.

Cop was wrong.
Cyclist is an upset jerk.
Cop's a defensive jerk.
Two jerks argue.
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I think that cop was upset that the cyclist was impeding his access to the donut shop.
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Sometimes on a long trip, cycling does give me a high. Joggers would recognize it.
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Since all the snow is 5 feet tall in the bike lanes etc. it's not that I would be high, just loco and daring.
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Do you not read or do you just like typing your point across?

Cyclist still gives me a similar feel to a sovereign citizen, like he's dangerous.

Cop was wrong.
Cyclist is an upset jerk.
Cop's a defensive jerk.
Two jerks argue.

Why aren't there more threads about things that are dangerous and need to be fixed instead of You Tube Theater?


That's not advocacy to me, it's acting!
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It's natural to think "dumb cop doesn't know the law" but more likely he is reacting to the cyclist's behavior and demeanor and not to any alleged traffic infraction. If not cycling in the middle of the road, he'd have made up something else - erratic driving, suspicious behavior, or some other subjective evaluation. IMO this isn't about cycling at all.
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Most of us have the luxury of not having to pass through what cops consider "known drug areas". Thus we do not get stopped just because we are on a bicycle in a "known drug area" on some BS excuse by a cop hoping to make a drug bust to up his arrest record and cred.

The cyclist in the OP video started his video activism after such other such stops while riding legally.

I got stopped once while legally riding through an industrial area just because some of the workers saw me on a bicycle and decided the only reason I would be there was to break into their cars and steal loss change. I was on a $4,000 bicycle at the time in helmet and bicycle shorts, dropping of environmental samples to the laboratory in the area. Sucks being profiled as a homeless thief just because I was on a bicycle in an industrial area. At least for me the cops realized it was a BS 911 call right off and did not act like the cops in the videos, otherwise they might have become youtube stars.
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Old 01-28-17, 01:13 PM   #36
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Why aren't there more threads about things that are dangerous and need to be fixed instead of You Tube Theater?


That's not advocacy to me, it's acting!
Over time, the smart cops have backed off the BS stops. That is a good thing and counts as a positive result for all cyclist.
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For those that ride bikes at night and don't ride $6,000 carbon bikes dressed in spandex, this is how police treat cyclists.
Sad. But cycling advocacy groups do the same thing. If someone riding a cheap bike (and a minority) gets run over and killed by a car, they don't give a darn. No memorial rides, nothing like that.

But if someone is rich and rides an expensive bike, advocacy groups go livid when they get killed by a car. They will get a memorial ride, and often a ghost bike placed.
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Sad. But cycling advocacy groups do the same thing. If someone riding a cheap bike (and a minority) gets run over and killed by a car, they don't give a darn. No memorial rides, nothing like that.

But if someone is rich and rides an expensive bike, advocacy groups go livid when they get killed by a car. They will get a memorial ride, and often a ghost bike placed.
I don't think it has anything to do with being rich. It's simply a matter of how many friends a rider has. Memorial rides are generally organized by friends grieving the loss of a loved one.
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I don't think it has anything to do with being rich. It's simply a matter of how many friends a rider has. Memorial rides are generally organized by friends grieving the loss of a loved one.
A college kid on a group ride of FG/SS cyclist was killed by a DWI hit&run. He got a ghost bike, tons of flowers and pictures. When the cops did not find the driver, his friends road around neighborhoods and found the car in a carport. Friends were the ones that got the driver arrested and showed up at court.
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Sad. But cycling advocacy groups do the same thing. If someone riding a cheap bike (and a minority) gets run over and killed by a car, they don't give a darn. No memorial rides, nothing like that.

But if someone is rich and rides an expensive bike, advocacy groups go livid when they get killed by a car. They will get a memorial ride, and often a ghost bike placed.
Google "Darcy Allan Sheppard"
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I don't think it has anything to do with being rich.
Perhaps not "rich" per se, but the class and social standing of one's peer group certainly plays a role in practical application. Perhaps due to that group's own perception of their relationship with the society as a whole.

Which is not to say that popularity within one's social group doesn't also have an impact.

Overall, I believe it does create an issue within the justice system. The role of corollary victim's testimony skews the ultimate result in a system that ideally should treat all with no such bias. OTOH, society does not want to deny these victim's their public expression of grief and sorrow. Seems to be a persistent conundrum throughout human history.
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Do you not read or do you just like typing your point across?

Cyclist still gives me a similar feel to a sovereign citizen, like he's dangerous.

Cop was wrong.
Cyclist is an upset jerk.
Cop's a defensive jerk.
Two jerks argue.
Cyclist (private citizen) is allowed to be a "jerk" (whatever that is...) because there is no law against it.
Cop (officer of the state with a gun) is paid & required to be professional & follow the law.
So, no, not an apples/apples comparison.
Cop was double wrong.
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All with him behaving legally and the police proving how slow learners they are.
Slow indeed!
After the Rodney King fiasco, one would think LEOs would be learning about citizen camera evidence on day one of the academy.
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In the heat of action, men (and even police officers and women) often forget where their best interests lie.
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Collier County is in Florida. Under Florida traffic law, a bicycle is defined as a vehicle.

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In Florida the bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle and the bicyclist is a driver. Bicyclists have the same rights to the roadways, and must obey the same traffic laws as the drivers of other vehicles. These laws include stopping for stop signs and red lights, riding with the flow of traffic, using lights at night, yielding the right-of-way when entering a roadway and yielding to pedestrians in crosswalks.

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Section 5 of the the vehicle code says "No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal"

Florida traffic law as to the speed limit is this:
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Section 5a of the speed limit code says "as close as practicable"

Under Florida traffic law, even when there is also Right Turn-Only lane. It does not mean, that the cyclist has to ride in the turn lane when they have no plan on turning. That would be inviting a right-hook.

Now this: Speed limits on roadways, now and in the future

While the cyclist is right about the law. Just watching his video, the newspaper is right about the speeders.
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Let's see if I remember the song...


I was riding in the middle of the road...because I got high...


Well, it was fun on karaoke nights.
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For those that ride bikes at night and don't ride $6,000 carbon bikes dressed in spandex, this is how police treat cyclists. Police "pull over" cyclists by running them off the road. Then police make up laws like "riding in the middle of the road is illegal" and "you are required to have ID" and so forth.
Thanks for making this about dividing cyclists and insulting people who ride differently than you. Well done.
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Thanks for making this about dividing cyclists and insulting people who ride differently than you. Well done.
OP just notes how some police wrongly profile and you accuse the OP of being the one of dividing. Seems you have it backwards.
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I can't go forwards around here without a Zamboni.
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