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Old 02-08-17, 10:57 AM   #26
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It may be a dumb thing to do to pull a knife on someone these days. They might have a concealed carry permit. Kind of stupid to bring a knife to a firearm fight.
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It may be a dumb thing to do to pull a knife on someone these days. They might have a concealed carry permit. Kind of stupid to bring a knife to a firearm fight.
Or not have a permit for the concealed weapon he/she is carrying; probably the person more likely to use it improperly.
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When someone suddenly pulls out of a parallel parking space. I 'poor on the gas' and swerve into the 'inside' lane and pass them.
Yeah, that's exactly what I did, but I simultaneously slapped the fender, which just goes to show how close the guy was. I shouldn't have been that close to the parked cars anyway, but it was a narrow road, with a lot of traffic. Not a lot of space for me or anyone else. Bad situation all around.
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What do you mean by "those drivers?"
"Those drivers" as in the ones that break the law, and that the wronged/endangered onlookers just itch to call out on their illegal and reckless behavior (in this case blowing a stop sign and risking life/limb of a father/son....and when called out on it drawing a 12" long "knife")
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What would you call it if someone pulls a huge knife on you and threatens you?
It was a 12" hunting knife, not a machete, btw. If someone pulled it on me I would call it "assault" or "threatening" of some sort. I probably would be terrified but the word "terrorism" has a meaning and this isn't it.
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The "terroristic threat" laws were mostly passed after 9/11 and intended to cover terrorism or the threats thereof, ie. phoning in a bomb threat at a school.
Are you sure about that? My state had "terroristic threat" laws, which as I explained above was later changed to "criminal threat" long before 9/11. And bomb threats, etc were covered under that law, as well as making threats of bodily harm to another person.
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Aggravated assault.
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Are you sure about that? My state had "terroristic threat" laws, which as I explained above was later changed to "criminal threat" long before 9/11. And bomb threats, etc were covered under that law, as well as making threats of bodily harm to another person.
In his opinion, he is sure.

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What would you call it if someone pulls a huge knife on you and threatens you?
Applying the facts of this case to the law in Nebraska.

TERRORISTIC THREATS (F3A)
USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON TO COMMIT A FELONY (F2)

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(My disclaimer: In addition, the accused is innocent until proven guilty.)

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(My disclaimer: In addition, the accused is innocent until proven guilty.)

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The accused is either guilty or innocent, period.

Our judicial system simply assumes innocence until proven guilty in a court of law or prison administrative procedures or Non-judicial Punishment in certain military situations.
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Never underestimate the damage a person can do with a knife. There are several videos online showing multiple police officers being stabbed, some killed, by a single perpetrator armed with only a knife. It's pretty horrific to watch.

And the YouTube armchair concealed carry experts who think they'd respond any better without regular training are delusional. Anyone who's been in a real street fight knows this stuff happens too quickly for anything but instinct to kick in. The only way anyone responds instinctively with effective defensive techniques, whether armed with a firearm or unarmed martial arts, is if they've trained with those techniques regularly in full contact sparring. Anything less and most of us go into pure fear fight or flight. And few folks can fight effectively for more than 30-60 seconds. The adrenaline rush quickly depletes the body, you'll become exhausted, shaky and unable to defend yourself or run. It's usually better to run.

This is why police are trained to shoot to kill against threats from people wielding knives, scissors, etc. There are no second chances. And shaky hands can't be relied upon to "shoot the knife out of the perp's hands". The training emphasizes center mass and kill shots, nothing less. These techniques and training are based on real world experiences, not armchair expertise derived from watching The Bourne Identity and reading gun and martial arts magazines.


Three Chinese officers using capture stick stabbed by one man at internet cafe.

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Unless the cyclists lives were in danger or they had to emergency stop to prevent getting hit, that slap was not a wise thing to do. A raised hand and a yell would be appropriate if it was a close call though. In situations like that, in today's world, it's not wise to provoke...especially with your son or daughter on the ride. What if it were some crazy wacko with a gun and an attitude? The headline might read something like this:

Motorist runs stop sign and murders two cyclists.

Yeah, I'll expect the usual responses to my OPINION post here but I'll tell you what. If I inadvertently run a stop sign and there was no close call and no clear imminent danger to a cyclist or pedestrian and they hit my car? First I would apologize for not seeing the stop sign. If they became belligerent after an apology? I'd give them a piece of my mind. Would I threaten with a knife or any other weapon? He11 NO!!! I'd stay in my car and tell them to get a life. I'll bet that cyclist NEVER in his life EVER ran a stop sign, right? Right.......

Accidents happen. Motorists miss stop signs. That goes for cyclists too. Many cyclists intentionally run stops signs and stop lights ALL THE TIME. I think the cyclist may be equally at fault here but that depends on the facts which we don't have.

That video link that canklecat posted above is PRECISELY why it's not wise to provoke.


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Unless the cyclists lives were in danger or they had to emergency stop to prevent getting hit, that slap was not a wise thing to do. A raised hand and a yell would be appropriate if it was a close call though. In situations like that, in today's world, it's not wise to provoke...especially with your son or daughter on the ride. What if it were some crazy wacko with a gun and an attitude? The headline might read something like this:

Motorist runs stop sign and murders two cyclists.

Yeah, I'll expect the usual responses to my OPINION post here but I'll tell you what. If I inadvertently run a stop sign and there was no close call and no clear imminent danger to a cyclist or pedestrian and they hit my car? First I would apologize for not seeing the stop sign. If they became belligerent after an apology? I'd give them a piece of my mind. Would I threaten with a knife or any other weapon? He11 NO!!! I'd stay in my car and tell them to get a life. I'll bet that cyclist NEVER in his life EVER ran a stop sign, right? Right.......

Accidents happen. Motorists miss stop signs. That goes for cyclists too. Many cyclists intentionally run stops signs and stop lights ALL THE TIME. I think the cyclist may be equally at fault here but that depends on the facts which we don't have.

That video link that canklecat posted above is PRECISELY why it's not wise to provoke.


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More BS headlines from you again.

And after you make a mistake and nearly collide into a cyclist with your 3,000 lbs, if the cyclist slaps your car from his 20 lb bicycle to warn you off killing him, you are going to give the cyclist a piece of your mind because his slap to your car almost killed you.
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What would you call it if someone pulls a huge knife on you and threatens you?
Stupid! No one actually shows you their knife... unless it's just bad TV. Apparently besides being an asshat... the cyclist and his son was a bit scary to the motorist. If that had been a REAL threat the cyclist would have never seen the knife... just felt it... and likely bleed to death.

This was a cyclist scared of traffic... and a motorist scared of the cyclist(s).

Only a moron would slap (and possibly damage) another's property... because they were scared. The cyclist had no right to touch the woman... or her car. The cyclist needs to HTFU.... or get his exercise in a spin class. The woman.... needs a concealed carry permit.

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CB_HI,

Here again you didn't actually READ what I wrote, which was:

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If I inadvertently run a stop sign and there was no close call and no clear imminent danger to a cyclist or pedestrian and they hit my car?
That means there was no harm at all and they merely saw me run a stop sign. That means they have no cause to hit my car. NO cause at all!

Get it?

Instead of attacking an opinion post, how about stopping for a moment and thinking about what you are typing.

Dave Cutter above gets it.

I think you forget that I'm a cyclist too. I've been riding, by myself, on the road, for more than 50 years. I've seen it all. If nothing else I've gained a lot of wisdom over those 50 years on how to handle just about any situation on the road.

One cardinal rule I abide by is this: if you bring it on, expect it to come!

I NEVER do anything to bring it on, but I will defend myself to the full extent possible if I am physically threatened and cannot escape. I'll flee if at all possible rather than put my life on the line for a stupid nutcase wacko motorist.

That motorist did two things wrong: 1) She ran a stop sign and 2) She pulled a knife.
The cyclist did one thing wrong: 1) He hit the car. But there again, we don't have the facts on whether it was justified or not.

Quite frankly, what if the cyclist had a screw loose and was carrying a gun and killed the motorist? Yeah, that cuts both ways, doesn't it?

Suffice to say that the motorist felt threatened enough, and was crazy enough to pull a knife. It could have been a gun and a double homicide.




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"What would you call it if someone pulls a huge knife on you and threatens you?"

An opportunity --- several of which I have personally addressed & I'm still here --- they aren't. Although I do have some scars.

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Here again you didn't actually READ what I wrote, which was:



That means there was no harm at all and they merely saw me run a stop sign. That means they have no cause to hit my car. NO cause at all!

Get it?

Instead of attacking an opinion post, how about stopping for a moment and thinking about what you are typing.

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Oh I read your post and seem to understand your attitude better than you do. As cyclist, you say we should ignore motorist behavior. As a motorist, even if there is no harm done by the cyclist, you say you are going to "give them a piece of my mind".

Odd you are not willing to treat cyclist and motorist in the same manner.
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CB_HI,

No, you still don't get it!

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First I would apologize for not seeing the stop sign. If they became belligerent after an apology? I'd give them a piece of my mind.
I treat EVERYONE on the road the same. I give motorists, or cyclists for that matter, who have a nasty or ill-tempered attitude a wide berth. They aren't worth my time.

You know, bless your heart, but you're a pretty funny person, actually. I don't know how you do it.


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No, you still don't get it!



I treat EVERYONE on the road the same. I give motorists, or cyclists for that matter, who have a nasty or ill-tempered attitude a wide berth. They aren't worth my time.

You know, bless your heart, but you're a pretty funny person, actually. I don't know how you do it.


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And yet you seem to be very condescending. Giving anyone a "piece of my mind", is not giving them a "wide berth". You continue to contradict yourself.
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Well, it is not proper conduct to slap or knock on someone's car. While I can understand this rider's annoyance and anger, it is up to us, as representatives of the cycling community, to behave with good manners and self-discipline.
That being said, if we are challenged by potential and imminent violence, this response is perfectly reasonable and effective: COUNTER ASSAULT Bear Spray Bicycle Kozee Tote Holster Free Shipping on orders over $49!
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Well, it is not proper conduct to slap or knock on someone's car. While I can understand this rider's annoyance and anger, it is up to us, as representatives of the cycling community, to behave with good manners and self-discipline.
That being said, if we are challenged by potential and imminent violence, this response is perfectly reasonable and effective: COUNTER ASSAULT Bear Spray Bicycle Kozee Tote Holster Free Shipping on orders over $49!
So you are going to pull out your bear spray while still moving with a motorist squeezing you off the road and spray it at his closed windows to alert him that he needs to move away from you. Sounds like the only person who will end up with bear spray in their eyes is you as you ride into your own spray.

That sounds like it will work real well.

By the way, a cop is then one that told me to just slap their car rather than other actions.
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"Terroristic threats"? Seriously?
This is a concern, in the (formerly) land of the free.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I did, but I simultaneously slapped the fender, which just goes to show how close the guy was. I shouldn't have been that close to the parked cars anyway, but it was a narrow road, with a lot of traffic. Not a lot of space for me or anyone else. Bad situation all around.
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