Bicyclist Shot in NOLA
05-17-17, 09:21 AM
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I've usually believed it's better to stay somewhere and help make it better than to leave every time something becomes difficult or unpleasant.
Usually.
But from what I've heard from folks who live in or near New Orleans, it's beyond hope and gotten much worse since Katrina.
Usually.
But from what I've heard from folks who live in or near New Orleans, it's beyond hope and gotten much worse since Katrina.
05-17-17, 11:06 AM
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A cut-and-paste from Wikipedia:
Statistically, parts of Algiers especially Berhman are notorious for high crime rates, violence and drug activity in the city.
Statistically, parts of Algiers especially Berhman are notorious for high crime rates, violence and drug activity in the city.
We were mostly on the bike path leading from the ferry. The parts we saw seemed to be gentrifying except, I suppose, for the large jail. Algiers is a big place, it seems, and it's usually unfair to label an entire area as "unsafe". Not being local you get to be Mr Magoo, oblivious to everything around you.
05-17-17, 12:05 PM
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It's relevant to A&S because most issues and incidents we cuss and discuss here are based on news media accounts.
As a former journalist one of my pet peeves is sloppy reporting and writing. The varying accounts of the shooting, including the projectile -- was it a bullet from a firearm or some other projectile? -- should have prompted reporters to dig deeper and get answers to specific questions.
For example, there's a huge difference between the projectiles used in firearms and airguns. Most airgun projectiles have hollow bases to trap air and expand the hollow skirt for better efficiency (with the exception of steel or copper BBs and soft lead round balls, neither of which are used in high power spring piston airguns). Firearm projectiles seldom have hollow bases -- one exception is the wadcutter, a flat nosed, hollow based soft lead bullet used to punch clean holes in paper targets, almost always .38 caliber.
In one story a witness described a popping sound. If the projectile was from an airgun, the popping sound would be audible only at close range. That would narrow down the suspects to the passing pickup truck, bystanders on the sidewalk or someone hiding near the road.
If the projectile was from a firearm, even a .22 rimfire, the report would be much louder at closer range unless the bullet was from a lower powered .22 CB cap (similar to those used years ago in carnival arcade rifles).
(BTW, even these examples are simplified a bit, but close enough for this discussion.)
Granted, access to this information would be limited at first. But a good reporter would investigate and find out this relevant information and ask more specific questions of law enforcement.
It's directly relevant to the safety of cyclists and others who may be passing that area. Are they being targeted by snipers at long range, or brazen thugs wielding paintball guns and airguns at close range, or by passing vehicles?
Let's flip the specifics around...
Suppose cyclists were being struck by hurled objects. Wouldn't it be relevant to ask "Cinder block? Brick? Shot put? Bowling ball? Baseball? Golf ball? Marble? What kind of hurled object?" Because the size, weight, etc., would indicate the distance and position of the attacker. That may be relevant to cyclists who wish to avoid being bonked on the noggin by cinder blocks dropped from overpasses. But if it's a golf ball, are they passing a driving range? Or, if it's a miniature golf course, who is whacking those balls hard enough to hit passing cyclists?
Specifics can also reveal whether there's a real pattern or just some random, apparently unrelated incidents that could be misinterpreted as organized or orchestrated violence toward cyclists.
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05-17-17, 01:18 PM
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...and...
It's relevant to A&S because most issues and incidents we cuss and discuss here are based on news media accounts.
As a former journalist one of my pet peeves is sloppy reporting and writing. The varying accounts of the shooting, including the projectile -- was it a bullet from a firearm or some other projectile? -- should have prompted reporters to dig deeper and get answers to specific questions.
For example, there's a huge difference between the projectiles used in firearms and airguns. Most airgun projectiles have hollow bases to trap air and expand the hollow skirt for better efficiency (with the exception of steel or copper BBs and soft lead round balls, neither of which are used in high power spring piston airguns). Firearm projectiles seldom have hollow bases -- one exception is the wadcutter, a flat nosed, hollow based soft lead bullet used to punch clean holes in paper targets, almost always .38 caliber.
In one story a witness described a popping sound. If the projectile was from an airgun, the popping sound would be audible only at close range. That would narrow down the suspects to the passing pickup truck, bystanders on the sidewalk or someone hiding near the road.
If the projectile was from a firearm, even a .22 rimfire, the report would be much louder at closer range unless the bullet was from a lower powered .22 CB cap (similar to those used years ago in carnival arcade rifles).
(BTW, even these examples are simplified a bit, but close enough for this discussion.)
Granted, access to this information would be limited at first. But a good reporter would investigate and find out this relevant information and ask more specific questions of law enforcement.
It's directly relevant to the safety of cyclists and others who may be passing that area. Are they being targeted by snipers at long range, or brazen thugs wielding paintball guns and airguns at close range, or by passing vehicles?
Let's flip the specifics around...
Suppose cyclists were being struck by hurled objects. Wouldn't it be relevant to ask "Cinder block? Brick? Shot put? Bowling ball? Baseball? Golf ball? Marble? What kind of hurled object?" Because the size, weight, etc., would indicate the distance and position of the attacker. That may be relevant to cyclists who wish to avoid being bonked on the noggin by cinder blocks dropped from overpasses. But if it's a golf ball, are they passing a driving range? Or, if it's a miniature golf course, who is whacking those balls hard enough to hit passing cyclists?
Specifics can also reveal whether there's a real pattern or just some random, apparently unrelated incidents that could be misinterpreted as organized or orchestrated violence toward cyclists.
It's relevant to A&S because most issues and incidents we cuss and discuss here are based on news media accounts.
As a former journalist one of my pet peeves is sloppy reporting and writing. The varying accounts of the shooting, including the projectile -- was it a bullet from a firearm or some other projectile? -- should have prompted reporters to dig deeper and get answers to specific questions.
For example, there's a huge difference between the projectiles used in firearms and airguns. Most airgun projectiles have hollow bases to trap air and expand the hollow skirt for better efficiency (with the exception of steel or copper BBs and soft lead round balls, neither of which are used in high power spring piston airguns). Firearm projectiles seldom have hollow bases -- one exception is the wadcutter, a flat nosed, hollow based soft lead bullet used to punch clean holes in paper targets, almost always .38 caliber.
In one story a witness described a popping sound. If the projectile was from an airgun, the popping sound would be audible only at close range. That would narrow down the suspects to the passing pickup truck, bystanders on the sidewalk or someone hiding near the road.
If the projectile was from a firearm, even a .22 rimfire, the report would be much louder at closer range unless the bullet was from a lower powered .22 CB cap (similar to those used years ago in carnival arcade rifles).
(BTW, even these examples are simplified a bit, but close enough for this discussion.)
Granted, access to this information would be limited at first. But a good reporter would investigate and find out this relevant information and ask more specific questions of law enforcement.
It's directly relevant to the safety of cyclists and others who may be passing that area. Are they being targeted by snipers at long range, or brazen thugs wielding paintball guns and airguns at close range, or by passing vehicles?
Let's flip the specifics around...
Suppose cyclists were being struck by hurled objects. Wouldn't it be relevant to ask "Cinder block? Brick? Shot put? Bowling ball? Baseball? Golf ball? Marble? What kind of hurled object?" Because the size, weight, etc., would indicate the distance and position of the attacker. That may be relevant to cyclists who wish to avoid being bonked on the noggin by cinder blocks dropped from overpasses. But if it's a golf ball, are they passing a driving range? Or, if it's a miniature golf course, who is whacking those balls hard enough to hit passing cyclists?
Specifics can also reveal whether there's a real pattern or just some random, apparently unrelated incidents that could be misinterpreted as organized or orchestrated violence toward cyclists.
To me, that was obviously not the line of thought about the weapon. No one mentioned any concern about the directionality or the distance of the shot in the discussion. In other words, you are shooting crap out because some people here would rather "prove" their knowledge of firearms, There is no pattern to a single event by the way.
There were direct witnesses report that said there direction and distance of the short could net be determined.
No I am not buying your argument not one minute.
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05-17-17, 02:32 PM
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That means the shot came from either the left lane, median or across the road from the oncoming side and behind to fit the gap between the cyclist to the victims left.
The pickup truck that passed is the most likely source. And before anyone says, 'but no one saw a hand + gun stick out the window'; trained snipers do not stick their weapons outside windows where they can be spotted. They fire as far back from the window as possible while still making the shot.
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05-17-17, 04:04 PM
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The shot hit the cyclist in his left back, with other cyclist behind him.
That means the shot came from either the left lane, median or across the road from the oncoming side and behind to fit the gap between the cyclist to the victims left.
The pickup truck that passed is the most likely source. And before anyone says, 'but no one saw a hand + gun stick out the window'; trained snipers do not stick their weapons outside windows where they can be spotted. They fire as far back from the window as possible while still making the shot.
That means the shot came from either the left lane, median or across the road from the oncoming side and behind to fit the gap between the cyclist to the victims left.
The pickup truck that passed is the most likely source. And before anyone says, 'but no one saw a hand + gun stick out the window'; trained snipers do not stick their weapons outside windows where they can be spotted. They fire as far back from the window as possible while still making the shot.
05-17-17, 05:59 PM
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Simple
If he used a firearm-he intended to severly injure kill a cyclist-
if a firearm was used they should consider not riding there until he is caught-
or they can arm/armor and go wild west.
It is legal in Louisiana to openly carry rifles pistols- just check to monuments crowd.
If he used a firearm-he intended to severly injure kill a cyclist-
if a firearm was used they should consider not riding there until he is caught-
or they can arm/armor and go wild west.
It is legal in Louisiana to openly carry rifles pistols- just check to monuments crowd.
05-17-17, 10:40 PM
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To me, that was obviously not the line of thought about the weapon. No one mentioned any concern about the directionality or the distance of the shot in the discussion. In other words, you are shooting crap out because some people here would rather "prove" their knowledge of firearms, There is no pattern to a single event by the way.
There were direct witnesses report that said there direction and distance of the short could net be determined.
No I am not buying your argument not one minute.
There were direct witnesses report that said there direction and distance of the short could net be determined.
No I am not buying your argument not one minute.
"The lack of police response to this is beyond appalling. A guy is shot on city streets and hours later the PD says that they think he was shot w/a pellet gun, then at what 9:50 retract that to admit he was shot? Makes attitudes like Joey's way more understandable."
You don't want answers, but just emotional babbling about something being "beyond appalling"? Suit yourself. Doesn't help but maybe it feels good to you.
If it's too complicated for you, move on to the next thread and repeat your usual illogical and inconsistent blurt posts. Lather, froth, foam, rinse, repeat.
05-18-17, 12:05 AM
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Knowing the projectile and depth it penetrated the cyclist, helps determine the minimum and maximum range it could have been fired from. That gives indicators of if the shot was from the white pickup or possible stationary positions to be searched for additional evidence.
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05-18-17, 08:15 AM
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We were mostly on the bike path leading from the ferry. The parts we saw seemed to be gentrifying except, I suppose, for the large jail. Algiers is a big place, it seems, and it's usually unfair to label an entire area as "unsafe". Not being local you get to be Mr Magoo, oblivious to everything around you.
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About 3 years ago in northern Colorado, a few idiots used black powder guns and others used pellet guns to shoot at different people and car windows. One cyclist was killed. Another cyclist was hit with a pellet and injured.
The foolishness quickly stopped when some cyclist in northern Colorado began open carrying.
Time for NOLA cyclist to start carrying.
The foolishness quickly stopped when some cyclist in northern Colorado began open carrying.
Time for NOLA cyclist to start carrying.
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05-18-17, 12:48 PM
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I read a story about a sniper once. He used a spotting scope on his rifle and made kill shots from more than a mile away. It wouldn't have mattered at all what kind of gun the target was carrying, and whether it was openly displayed or concealed. They would be just as dead and they wouldn't have even heard the shot, because the bullet was traveling faster than the speed of sound. You gun types just amaze me with the amount of invincibility you ascribe to gun use. The misconception is responsible for a lot of death and mayhem in this country. A gun is a lethal, offensive weapon. Period. It can only be used effectively as a defensive weapon when the attacker is inept. That is not always the case. The cyclists in Colorado would have been better advised to wear Kevlar vests and helmets.
There are many stories of self defense gun owners saving themselves and their families, especially in home invasions. A few of them include 15 year olds saving their younger siblings and themselves in home invasions.
Just open carrying a mace gun on my camelbak in HI. It has ended a bully attempted assault from road ragging motorist when I have been cycling in rush hour traffic. They force me off the road, but miss, so they get out of the car for a few punches, I put my hand on the mace gun (they think it is a regular gun) and I ask them if they really want to get it on. Then I laugh as they run away.
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And fire extinguishers, seat belts, bicycle helmets and pretty much every other hazard mitigation on the planet only work with limited subsets of their types of emergencies. Doesn't make them a bad idea.
05-18-17, 07:56 PM
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I read a story about a sniper once. He used a spotting scope on his rifle and made kill shots from more than a mile away. It wouldn't have mattered at all what kind of gun the target was carrying, and whether it was openly displayed or concealed. They would be just as dead and they wouldn't have even heard the shot, because the bullet was traveling faster than the speed of sound. You gun types just amaze me with the amount of invincibility you ascribe to gun use. The misconception is responsible for a lot of death and mayhem in this country. A gun is a lethal, offensive weapon. Period. It can only be used effectively as a defensive weapon when the attacker is inept. That is not always the case. The cyclists in Colorado would have been better advised to wear Kevlar vests and helmets.
The vast majority of murders attributed to "sniper" rifles or assault rifles have actually been at relatively short range and, in the case of the AK and SKS variants, not particularly accurate rifles.
Spotting scopes aren't used on rifles. A spotting scope is just a specialized telescope designed for use alongside the firearm in conjunction with target shooting, hunting or military target confirmation. Some photographers use them with adapters for compact digital cameras as an affordable entry to bird photography (wildlife and sports photography are extremely expensive when using conventional cameras and fast telephoto and/or zoom lenses).
Spotting scopes are often advertised as rugged but aren't designed to withstand the shock of recoil from high power rifles, including high powered spring piston air rifles, which transmit quite a sharp jolt that can break a less rugged rifle scope reticle. Spotting scopes have larger optics, a brighter view and other advantages, but there's no practical way to mount them on rifles that would offer many advantages over a purpose made rifle scope.
And I wouldn't worry about a 1-mile shot from a sniper. This is incredibly difficult and only a relative handful of marksmen in the world are capable of it with any consistency. Many of us with military backgrounds qualified on M-16 (or, if we're old enough, M1 Garand or M1-A/M14) out to 500 yards or meters and know how difficult it can be to hit a motionless target at that distance with any consistency. And that's from a prone position under very little pressure.
The vast majority of gun violence occurs at little more than arm's length. That goes for the Wild West shootouts as well, which rarely involved showdowns or duels. Like thugs everywhere someone loses his temper, pulls a gun and starts blasting away at the nearest object of his ire. Drive-by shootings are the next most common and usually involve targets less than 25 yards away.
That's why I'm betting on that passing pickup truck as the most likely source of the shot that struck the cyclist. Some punks hopped up on testosterone, booze and dope, daring each other to shoot someone while they drive around, passing around an airgun or small caliber handgun.
Pardon the technical nitpicking digression (yeah, I was a crime beat reporter in a past life), but it's relevant if we really want to understand the nature of gun violence in our communities and which methods are practicable in self defense -- which usually means avoidance.
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I have to agree with canklecat(what is a canklecat-guess I will look it up).
Shouldn't be surprised at the "gun knowledge" on a bike forum
many bike riders like to tinker with "machines/tools" so no surprise.
Yeah it was the pickup-the shot actually hit the target-so it came from someplace very close.
No noise means air rifle/pistol-maybe CO2
I didn't notice if it showed a license plate-guessing not-since he would be caught.
They should open carry if they persist in riding that route.
I wouldn't ride a route where riders are being shot/paintballed.
Shouldn't be surprised at the "gun knowledge" on a bike forum
many bike riders like to tinker with "machines/tools" so no surprise.
Yeah it was the pickup-the shot actually hit the target-so it came from someplace very close.
No noise means air rifle/pistol-maybe CO2
I didn't notice if it showed a license plate-guessing not-since he would be caught.
They should open carry if they persist in riding that route.
I wouldn't ride a route where riders are being shot/paintballed.
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The nickname is a reminder to myself to take better care of my body and health.
Right about the time I turned 50, nine years ago, I noticed in a snapshot of our cat swirling around my feet that my ankles were badly swollen. I'd been inactive for awhile due to a broken back and neck from a car wreck a few years earlier. I wasn't walking enough or getting much exercise. My weight wasn't too bad, around 185. That seemed better than the 205 lbs I'd weighed for awhile after the accident. But it was still way above my optimal weight of 160.
The cankles were a warning sign of congestive heart failure, which plagues my family on both sides. That got my attention.
So I started walking more, eating less and more healthy stuff, etc. I was still on a cane until 2014. By 2015 I was able to ride a bike again. Since then my weight has hovered between 155-165 lbs. I don't watch my diet rigorously but I do check my blood pressure and watch for swelling in my shins and ankles. Usually I get little warning signs, such as arrhythmia -- irregular heartbeat. Along with higher BP, that's usually a good sign that I'm getting swollen and need to be more careful.
Right about the time I turned 50, nine years ago, I noticed in a snapshot of our cat swirling around my feet that my ankles were badly swollen. I'd been inactive for awhile due to a broken back and neck from a car wreck a few years earlier. I wasn't walking enough or getting much exercise. My weight wasn't too bad, around 185. That seemed better than the 205 lbs I'd weighed for awhile after the accident. But it was still way above my optimal weight of 160.
The cankles were a warning sign of congestive heart failure, which plagues my family on both sides. That got my attention.
So I started walking more, eating less and more healthy stuff, etc. I was still on a cane until 2014. By 2015 I was able to ride a bike again. Since then my weight has hovered between 155-165 lbs. I don't watch my diet rigorously but I do check my blood pressure and watch for swelling in my shins and ankles. Usually I get little warning signs, such as arrhythmia -- irregular heartbeat. Along with higher BP, that's usually a good sign that I'm getting swollen and need to be more careful.
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Canklecat-ahh- good story
Typical cat-taking credit for everything good
My cats-and dog-are more into encouraging me to do my chores(feeding them walking her) with more gusto.
Typical cat-taking credit for everything good
My cats-and dog-are more into encouraging me to do my chores(feeding them walking her) with more gusto.
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You know that we don't have to obsess over what the weapon was here, Internet Brands probably owns a forums site for that.
It's bad enough that the cyclist was shot. Ain't nothing you can do about that. Hopefully the victim recovers okay. You all are getting skittish from all the hit and run and intentional auto weapon attacks.
It's bad enough that the cyclist was shot. Ain't nothing you can do about that. Hopefully the victim recovers okay. You all are getting skittish from all the hit and run and intentional auto weapon attacks.
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