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Old 06-19-17, 02:18 PM   #1
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Driver mows down cyclist over mobile phone row (UK)

Saw this month-old UK news (with surveillance video of the scene):

A woman who deliberately ploughed into a cyclist after being confronted about using her mobile phone behind the wheel has been jailed for three years.
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Old 06-19-17, 02:38 PM   #2
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No victim blaming here, but it does serve as a reminder to avoid getting into confrontations...right or wrong. Too many people are completely insane, and the ones you'll end up arguing with are generally not the best and brightest.
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Old 06-19-17, 02:51 PM   #3
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No victim blaming here, but it does serve as a reminder to avoid getting into confrontations...right or wrong. Too many people are completely insane, and the ones you'll end up arguing with are generally not the best and brightest.
Yes, that's why I posted this. Need to be "artful" with the drivers...
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Yes, that's why I posted this. Need to be "artful" with the drivers...
Thanks. You just don't know what kind of "crazy" is out there.

Good luck to the baby that's on it's way.
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If someone's going to explode, you sometimes don't actually HAVE to do anything, they merely need to imagine you did. Probably the hardest thing you'll ever do as a cyclist is to not react to idiots but humans being what we are, we do react and someone with psychological issues goes over the edge.
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No victim blaming here, but it does serve as a reminder to avoid getting into confrontations...right or wrong. Too many people are completely insane, and the ones you'll end up arguing with are generally not the best and brightest.
best to just stay home, its safer
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best to just stay home, its safer
Because after all, everything is all or nothing. Being careful/risk adverse while riding is, after all, the same thing as being in a bubble.
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Seems like justice was done.

The woman was crazy. Tried to run over a cyclist, gets jailed for 3 and license revoked for 4.5. Some people may not think that is enough but think of this.

Could you imagine trying to get a job after getting out of jail on an attempted murder charge (or whatever she had), all the while not having a car to do it?

The irony is that she may end up riding a bike to work when she gets out of jail.

This woman's life is ruined. At least for the next X numbers of years depending on how long it stays on her record. If it's a felony, it's forever.

And her baby will be born in prison.

Unsure what this thread was about otherwise.
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The woman was crazy. Tried to run over a cyclist, gets jailed for 3 and license revoked for 4.5. Some people may not think that is enough but think of this.

Could you imagine trying to get a job after getting out of jail on an attempted murder charge (or whatever she had), all the while not having a car to do it?
Which means she'll be getting a free ride on welfare.

IMO, this one was flat out attempted murder, and needs a stiffer penalty.

OTOH, I do think the majority of "I didn't see..." hits should come with an automatic license revocation if the victim had taken reasonable measures to be visible, (or not taken steps to be less visible, like removing reflectors without substituting other enhancements) duration dependent on how visible under the circumstances at the time of the collision. Spending a year on foot or on a bicycle would likely give them a vastly better understanding of why paying attention to the road is more important than chatting on the phone or daydreaming behind the wheel.
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Which means she'll be getting a free ride on welfare.

IMO, this one was flat out attempted murder, and needs a stiffer penalty.

OTOH, I do think the majority of "I didn't see..." hits should come with an automatic license revocation if the victim had taken reasonable measures to be visible, (or not taken steps to be less visible, like removing reflectors without substituting other enhancements) duration dependent on how visible under the circumstances at the time of the collision. Spending a year on foot or on a bicycle would likely give them a vastly better understanding of why paying attention to the road is more important than chatting on the phone or daydreaming behind the wheel.
So she'll be getting a free ride in jail.

Which do you prefer? I'll tell you this much... at least on welfare there is a CHANCE she might actually get a job and NOT be a drudge to society.

Living on welfare must be SUCH a privilege if you think doing so would actually be enjoyable.
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Living on welfare must be SUCH a privilege if you think doing so would actually be enjoyable.
I see plenty of people on welfare with lots of things I can't afford. Heck, last time I drove to the local unemployment office, my 1999 Blazer in great shape wouldn't have sold for the down payment on any of the other cars in the lot.
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Yes, that's why I posted this. Need to be "artful" with the drivers...
OK..here is my take on "artful":

When I throw my leg over my bike and saddle up, I consciously make the decision to venture off into the real world where people are stupid, and people make mistakes, and people are mean. I am literally at their mercy...or NOT if I choose to leave the bike home.

If I put on scuba diving equipment out at sea, and sit on the rail of the dive boat ready to take the plunge, I would consider the dangers and either do the dive, or stay on the boat.

If I encounter a shark, and that shark tries to bite me or passes a little too close for comfort, am I going to chase the shark down and TELL HIM ANYTHING??? Hell no. Because before I left the boat there was a conscious decision made to ACCEPT THE DANGER, and not cry about it later.

Same on the road while cycling. I have NO ONE to blame but myself if some stupid person does something stupid that affects me. I already know that is coming. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but it is coming. So do I chase down the mindless shark and YELL AT IT??? Hell no. What good ever comes from that?

Just shut up and ride.
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I see plenty of people on welfare with lots of things I can't afford. Heck, last time I drove to the local unemployment office, my 1999 Blazer in great shape wouldn't have sold for the down payment on any of the other cars in the lot.
It's those gosh darned poor people I tell you!

Before opening your god damned mouth, try looking at a few federal and state budgets. Look at the pensions. That's where the money goes...un-audited, insured, and under funded pensions. Social Security...which, if no one told you, is a regressive tax paid more by poor/middle class people. And used as a slush fund by folks who want to pretend they aren't raising taxes. It's not food stamps.

And before speaking, ask yourself how you think society should handle the medical, food and education needs of children...regardless of whether you deem the parents unrighteous.
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When you have dudes with shotguns pulling the trigger on random cyclists to "let off steam", yeah, it's a good idea to keep one's middle finger holstered.

Bitd, I used to go off on stupid motorists. Not so today. I refuse to make eye contact and will bunny-hop onto the sidewalk if the situation even looks remotely like going off the rails. Living for another day is getting increasingly important to me as I move ever further into my 50s

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Before opening your god damned mouth, try looking at a few federal and state budgets. Look at the pensions. That's where the money goes...un-audited, insured, and under funded pensions. Social Security...which, if no one told you, is a regressive tax paid more by poor/middle class people. And used as a slush fund by folks who want to pretend they aren't raising taxes. It's not food stamps.
Not going to disagree with you on governments wasting money, and government employees getting way too much of it.

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Handing the parents money for brand new TVs, smartphones and cars isn't meeting any of those needs. The first step is to stop giving them cash when they aren't spending it on the kids; if they can't pay rent, put them in controlled housing, if they can't buy food, give them food. Instead we have people buying junk food and expensive brands with EBT, then selling it cheap to get cash so they can go back to the store and buy beer. Don't tell me it doesn't happen because I've had neighbors try to sell me food they'd just bought on food stamps, and by that evening they were carrying two cases of beer in from the car while chain smoking. I don't care if it's a thousandth of a percent of the Federal budget, I'm tired of paying for people who don't work to have a higher standard of living than I could afford working full time.
If you can't afford food, step one is to quit smoking and drinking. Been there, done that.

When my now-ex wife lost her job few years back, we were on food stamps for a while. $470/mo for two adults and a toddler, and that was with me still working full time. (Granted, I could have made more, but needed the odd schedule and study time at work to stay a full time student too.) Roughly $16/day Not exactly steak and lobster, but that's on top of my income.
Now, I've done the cheap eating thing for several weeks at a time, and had no trouble keeping it under $5/day, sometimes under $2.50/day. Sure, it means you have to cook, but if you've got someone in the household that isn't working, there's the time to cook. Bulk rice is under $1/lb and about 11 servings per pound uncooked weight. Same for pinto beans. (More if you buy 1lb bags, substantially less if you buy 20lb and up bulk bags or buckets.) Just to keep the math simple, let's call it 10 servings/lb and $1/lb so $0.10/serving. So, rice and beans for 3 people (we'll also assume the toddler eats like an adult) for 3 meals a day still hasn't hit a dollar. That leaves $15/day just to add some flavor to the meals that plenty of people around the world live on without adding anything. Rather than giving cash (or EBT credit) just issue, say, 10lbs/person/month of each rice and beans, (allowing for waste) and an assortment of flavor additives. Call it a dollar a day for flavorings and you're at $50/mo/person, without accounting for the discount of buying it in huge bulk. $150 for a family of three. Over $300 in savings per household just in food benefits alone.

There's a lot more to any effective system, like eliminating the "cliff" conditions when benefits diminish more than earned income increases, effectively penalizing the recipient for working, but this is already drifting way too far into P&R territory.
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She got off easy. 20 years would be more appropriate.
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