Bicycles and Segways?
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Bicycles and Segways?
The Segway is the much-publicized compact, self-balancing, battery-powered scooter. It is said to attain speeds of 10-12 mph. Actually, according to this page, they can go up to 20 mph but are artificially restricted to lower speeds. (I wonder how long before teenagers discover how to disable the governing mechanism?)
There is a debate underway in Boston, and likely in other cities, as to whether they should be allowed on sidewalks. According to a 7/12/2002 Globe article, "A proposed bill would give the 83-pound devices access to every Bay State sidewalk, trail, and low-speed road, and would bar cities and towns from imposing any restrictions on the Segway." WalkBoston opposes it.
It seems to me that one of the things bicycle advocates should try to find out, soon, is how well Segways and bicycles mix. My own feeling is that Segways do not belong on sidewalks any more than bicycles do... but that Segways add to the rationale for designing lanes specifically intended for "mid-speed" travel. That is, Segways belong in the bike lane... and that's another reason why we need good bike lanes.
There is a debate underway in Boston, and likely in other cities, as to whether they should be allowed on sidewalks. According to a 7/12/2002 Globe article, "A proposed bill would give the 83-pound devices access to every Bay State sidewalk, trail, and low-speed road, and would bar cities and towns from imposing any restrictions on the Segway." WalkBoston opposes it.
It seems to me that one of the things bicycle advocates should try to find out, soon, is how well Segways and bicycles mix. My own feeling is that Segways do not belong on sidewalks any more than bicycles do... but that Segways add to the rationale for designing lanes specifically intended for "mid-speed" travel. That is, Segways belong in the bike lane... and that's another reason why we need good bike lanes.
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Segway may have a niche. It may become an alternative to driving, but more likely, it will become an alternative to walking for out-of-shape drivers. They are likely to compete with walkers on the sidewalk, since Segway users (if I am right about them) will have the mentality that the street is for cars and the sidewalk is for...well, Segways. I can forsee their widespread use inside Disneyworld, as well...in fact, I can see them used just to get folk from the parking lot to the front gate.
I love the non-polluting, technologically advanced character of these critturs, as well as their usefulness (with some adaptations) for the disabled. However, as an alternative to walking for the general population, it reminds me of a nuclear-powered toothbrush...
But I agree with you that bicycle accomodations need all the help they can get!
Segway may have a niche. It may become an alternative to driving, but more likely, it will become an alternative to walking for out-of-shape drivers. They are likely to compete with walkers on the sidewalk, since Segway users (if I am right about them) will have the mentality that the street is for cars and the sidewalk is for...well, Segways. I can forsee their widespread use inside Disneyworld, as well...in fact, I can see them used just to get folk from the parking lot to the front gate.
I love the non-polluting, technologically advanced character of these critturs, as well as their usefulness (with some adaptations) for the disabled. However, as an alternative to walking for the general population, it reminds me of a nuclear-powered toothbrush...
But I agree with you that bicycle accomodations need all the help they can get!
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As a cyclist I couldn't care less about Ginger/Segway/whatever it's called this week. After all, I ride on the road and have to contend with cars and such anyway. However, as a walker (yes, I'm one of those primitive people who actually enjoys a good walk now and then) I'd be very worried because, to put it simply, they do not belong on the footpath/sidewalk.
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How well will Segways work out in bicycle paths? They are wider than bicycles and a bit less maneuverable. The prospect of sharing a footpath with a Segway does not terrify me, but I do share some of the concerns expressed by others in this thread. I have admired Dean Kamen and DeKa Engineering for a long time and was pleased when my local IEEE chapter gave him a special award (and even more pleased that he actually showed up at the award dinner with a Segway), but I still do not know precisely what Segway's market niche(s) will be. If it cuts into motor vehicle usage, bravo; if it displaces walking, boo hiss!
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I like your sign off from JKJ's "Three Men On A Bicycle" Haven't seen or heard him quoted in over 25 years. Thanks! for the reminder of how humorous he was.
I take that back. I remember seeing some of his stuff still in print in the late 80's.
I take that back. I remember seeing some of his stuff still in print in the late 80's.
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Just out of curiosity:
Has anybody actually seen one of these d@mn things in the hand of a private owner?
Has anybody actually seen one of these d@mn things in the hand of a private owner?
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Haven't seen any private owners yet; just politicians lavishing their praise and Postmen and Policemen using them on their beats --at least according to newspaper reports.
The hype and PR for this transportation marvel, is exactly what is needed for bicycles, but there doesn't seem to be anyone with deep enough pockets or the entusiasm to take on the job of promotion.
The segway guys are hustling pols in every state and getting them to write favorable laws to enhance their selling pitch when they do go public.
All I can say is, this guy must be one heck of a salesman and have some very influential backers to get this much attention from the press and the local, state and federal governments.
The hype and PR for this transportation marvel, is exactly what is needed for bicycles, but there doesn't seem to be anyone with deep enough pockets or the entusiasm to take on the job of promotion.
The segway guys are hustling pols in every state and getting them to write favorable laws to enhance their selling pitch when they do go public.
All I can say is, this guy must be one heck of a salesman and have some very influential backers to get this much attention from the press and the local, state and federal governments.
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Originally posted by D*Alex
Just out of curiosity:
Has anybody actually seen one of these d@mn things in the hand of a private owner?
Just out of curiosity:
Has anybody actually seen one of these d@mn things in the hand of a private owner?
I didn't actually see one, but recently a government employee in Atlanta had an accident while riding one. The newspaper article showed him getting attention from the paramedics for a leg injury.
He seemed to get a lot more sympathy than a cyclist would have...
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Originally posted by LittleBigMan
He seemed to get a lot more sympathy than a cyclist would have...
He seemed to get a lot more sympathy than a cyclist would have...
Besides, bikes are just kid's toys, right? So any adult that's fool enough to ride one is just some big dumb kid. Everyone knows that when kids play in traffic (instead of on the path where they belong) whatever happens to them is their own damned fault. But if a Segwayist (or is it Segwayer? what about Gingerer?) goes down, well then that's a big deal. Gotta protect your own, you know?
But don't listen to me - I'm kind of cranky right now.
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Originally posted by LittleBigMan
It may become an alternative to driving, but more likely, it will become an alternative to walking for out-of-shape drivers.
It may become an alternative to driving, but more likely, it will become an alternative to walking for out-of-shape drivers.
But I agree with you that bicycle accomodations need all the help they can get!
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Originally posted by ljbike
Haven't seen any private owners yet; just politicians lavishing their praise and Postmen and Policemen using them on their beats --at least according to newspaper reports.
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Haven't seen any private owners yet; just politicians lavishing their praise and Postmen and Policemen using them on their beats --at least according to newspaper reports.
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We have a few of those out here. I don't really mind them too much. I have even found people going to the technical parks and doing up to 4 ft drops with them and riding the teeter totters. Not sure how long they would last but it sure is fun to watch.
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At $3K+ apiece, it may be a while before they catch on.
Anyone read about or heard about how they run in adverse weather? Can they operate when wet?
I'm betting NASCAR will not create a new division for these things.
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Anyone read about or heard about how they run in adverse weather? Can they operate when wet?
I'm betting NASCAR will not create a new division for these things.
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Originally posted by Maelstrom
We have a few of those out here. I don't really mind them too much. I have even found people going to the technical parks and doing up to 4 ft drops with them and riding the teeter totters. Not sure how long they would last but it sure is fun to watch.
We have a few of those out here. I don't really mind them too much. I have even found people going to the technical parks and doing up to 4 ft drops with them and riding the teeter totters. Not sure how long they would last but it sure is fun to watch.
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Well re-reading I might be mistaken on the product. I was just a spectator watching some guys filming this guy trying to do tricks on a mini-trials course here in whistler. Which product he was using I am not sure of. Sorry.
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Not a problem, Some guy in Japan has already created a cloan, saw it on TV, he said market price should be ~$500, not $3K
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Originally posted by ljbike
I like your sign off from JKJ's "Three Men On A Bicycle" Haven't seen or heard him quoted in over 25 years. Thanks! for the reminder of how humorous he was.
I take that back. I remember seeing some of his stuff still in print in the late 80's.
I like your sign off from JKJ's "Three Men On A Bicycle" Haven't seen or heard him quoted in over 25 years. Thanks! for the reminder of how humorous he was.
I take that back. I remember seeing some of his stuff still in print in the late 80's.
I think an awful lot of cyclists would enjoy it. It's about a bicycling tour through Germany. Here's the part where they first get the idea:
"I have it!" exclaimed Harris; "a bicycle tour!"
George looked doubtful.
"There's a lot of uphill about a bicycle tour," said he, "and the
wind is against you."
"So there is downhill, and the wind behind you," said Harris.
"I've never noticed it," said George.
"You won't think of anything better than a bicycle tour," persisted
Harris.
I was inclined to agree with him.
"And I'll tell you where," continued he; "through the Black
Forest."
"Why, that's ALL uphill," said George.
"Not all," retorted Harris; "say two-thirds. And there's one thing
you've forgotten."
He looked round cautiously, and sunk his voice to a whisper.
"There are little railways going up those hills, little cogwheel
things that--"
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Thanks for the title correction. I'm glad to see he is still in print. I agree that those members who like to read would enjoy him. And thanks for posting the free web site.
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This is America, right? These Segway POS's, they got motors, right? Maybe they will redirect the attentions of bike thieves away from human-powered machines. I can see it now--the Trek, the Kestrel, the Colnago all parked together with cheap cables, and the thief gets caught when bumper-jacking the U-lock holding the Segway that's next to them!
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Well, I've never seen a Segway in use; but around downtown Seattle I've seen a few powered scooters (2-wheel in-line). One was a big electric thing on the downtown sidewalks, narrower than a Segway but longer--probably about the same "volume". It looked like a thoroughly rotten idea to me; this 100 pound ankle crusher weaving through downtown peds at anywhere up to 10 or 12 mph. I can't even imagine how bollocksed-up things would be with 3 or 4 of these things in the same block. I've also seen a couple gas powered ones roaming the streets and bike lanes. I don't know what to make of them; but at least the Segway won't spit 2-stroke exhaust at you. Seems like it would take up a wide chunk of bike lane at a pretty slow speed, though.
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Wouldn't it be hard to look over your shoulder for traffic with a Segway? I heard they turn, stop and start from shifting your CG. Since bicycle lanes are next to traffic most of the time, head turning is a must. Maybe this is why they belong to the sidewalk.
Then again, the sidewalk is for slower walkers, so there really is not any place for the Segway in our traffic system.
Then again, the sidewalk is for slower walkers, so there really is not any place for the Segway in our traffic system.
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