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    I thought it fitting to bring up yesterdays anniversary of Fabio Casartelli's death during stage 15 of the Tour de France. Being that it pertains to the fact that if he had been wearing a helmet he might of survived. Being that people could learn from such a horrible tradgedy. . .

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    Inapropriate... Probably.

    I'm only writing this because once again I had to listen to someone who doesn't ride a bike tell me that I should wear a helmet...

    If that person had been wearing a helmet and died, would this whole helmet/no helmet argument have been a mute point?

    I'm only asking. I do not care if anyone choses to wear a helmet, or not. Either way is fine with me.
    But I do have a major problem when anyone decides to impose their will on me. Even if they believe it is for my own protection.
    The Catholic Church did that awhile back, it was called the dark ages. The Muslims followed suit, and called it a jihad. Our government does it now, and calls it a moral obligation. And there are plenty of other examples up and down the history of man.
    Same crap different packaging.

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    Ahhh. . .who is trying to make you wear a helmet??? And you are an expert on who does and does not ride a bike? Plus your comparing a post about the anniversary of a rider that died and how it relates to helmets to the Catholic Church, "The Muslims", and the government???

    No one is saying for anyone to make you wear a helmet. You need to have something to protect first.

    Also refer to THIS. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    If that person had been wearing a helmet and died, would this whole helmet/no helmet argument have been a mute point?

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    That's moot point Sparky. The rest of your gibberish isn't worth replying to

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    We already have a helmet thread. And it was also stated that he hit a part of his head that even if he had been wearing a helmet, it wasn't protecting that spot anyawys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by operator
    We already have a helmet thread. And it was also stated that he hit a part of his head that even if he had been wearing a helmet, it wasn't protecting that spot anyawys.
    Thanks for answering my question.
    Thank you for the correction on the word "moot"
    As far as making me. Yes, my county is considering passing a helmet law for people over 18 (San Luis Obispo County, California).
    As far as judging my inteligence level. Please don't... Most people make that mistake and look foolish afterwards.

    And I will apologise for the second part of my post. But it isn't incorrect either, just inapropriatedly placed.

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    As far as judging my inteligence level. Please don't... Most people make that mistake and look foolish afterwards.
    What an arrogant lil' f***.

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    (<-- pulls out lawn chair and starts the popcorn going)
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    Sit down next to the guy in the lawnchair.

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    What an arrogant lil' f***.

    If that is all it took...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    Sit down next to the guy in the lawnchair.




    If that is all it took...
    I like you allready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    As far as judging my inteligence level. Please don't... Most people make that mistake and look foolish afterwards.
    I would suppose that would be because they think you're smarter than you really are?

    I can see how that could happen.

    I give people the benefit of the doubt much too often.

    Your initial post in this thread is at best trollish and at worst completely inappropriate, and NOT just in placement

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    Ah yes Mr. Raiyn... The "self-appointed" moderator.

    Of course you could distinguish my inteligence level by reading my posts. It is quite a talent... Can you teach it?
    Mabey you can turn it into a thread? "How to tell if someone is intelligent or not by the opinion they post."
    I'm sure it would get massive amount of readers.

    Or better yet, you can explain to me why you have decided to do a direct verbal attack on my being?

    Now back to the second half of my original post. I honestly did not mean it to be trollish, and I am now fully aware that it is. It was meant as an opinion and that is all.
    As far as it being appropriate... I think it belongs in the "government and religion" section, and not here. But either way it is appropriate.
    You just do not like what I wrote.

    ***Looks over to oboeguy, "Got any popcorn to share?"***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    Ah yes Mr. Raiyn... The "self-appointed" moderator.
    Never claimed to be one
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    Of course you could distinguish my inteligence level by reading my posts. It is quite a talent... Can you teach it?
    You're doing a fine job of delineating it yourself
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    Mabey you can turn it into a thread? "How to tell if someone is intelligent or not by the opinion they post."
    I think a better title would be "How to spot an Internet troll" I'd use your first post here as an example
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    I'm sure it would get massive amount of readers.
    I'm sure it would.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus

    Or better yet, you can explain to me why you have decided to do a direct verbal attack on my being?
    On your being? Do you feel physical effects from what you read? Do you have some sort of bizarre empathic powers?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus

    Now back to the second half of my original post. I honestly did not mean it to be trollish, and I am now fully aware that it is
    It certainly was
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    As far as it being appropriate... I think it belongs in the "government and religion" section, and not here. But either way it is appropriate.
    Not for this section it isn't. You have the ability top edit your post. Please do so
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    You just do not like what I wrote.
    While that's certainly true. It also dosen't belong here and never did.
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    ***Looks over to oboeguy, "Got any popcorn to share?"***
    Pass the seasoned salt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikadimus
    As far as judging my inteligence level. [SNIP]
    I love irony. Not even Seinfeld writers can come up with stuff this funny. Really, if there was one word he had to spell wrong.

    And just so Raiyn doesn't have to cop it all, the word is "Tragedy".

    And I wish people would stop using the word "Of" where they should use "Have".

    "He might of survived" is poor grammar. He might have survived. Learn the difference, and don't think you can get away with a contraction like might've, that's just ugly.

    Sorry Cookie, you didn't ask for this. But if I'm anything, it's fair.

    Back to Nikadimus now. Why is it that you think most people judge your intelligence in the first place? You're comparing a holy war to the government's request that you make an attempt to mitigate your head injuries in the event of a bicycle accident. Do us a favor, don't wear a seatbelt either, because that's just more government interference. And don't forget, there's a place on your license to make it known that you want to be an organ donor. Maybe someone else will see things differently when they get your eyes as a post-mortem gift.

    I shall now get off my soapbox. Raiyn, I prefer no salt on my popcorn.

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    Disteldorf's (doctor working with local coroner) opinion is in contrast to Porte's (senior doctor for the Tour) opinion and Porte clearly has superior qualifications in regards to cycling. Regardless of which is correct both refer to a hard shell helmet which the current crop of cycling helmets really are not. Given Casartelli's probable velocity into the granite curb it is very unlikely any helmet would have done much for him. Being on a descent his speed was in the realm of a motor vehicle. Helmeted motorcyclist often die of head injury when impacting a solid object and there is no comparison between the protection afforded by a motorcycle and a pedal bike helmet. There was a recent thread on this forum wherein a helmeted Portland cyclist died at the end of a race when impacting a pole. Casertelli was traveling faster and struck an even more rigid object.

    So, it really isn't appropriate to use the Casertelli tragedy to promote helmet use.

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    Phinney, I totally agree with you on that one. My argument for wearing a helmet is that few of us have the bike handling skills of a pro racer, and even fewer spend our time riding courses closed to traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expatriate

    And just so Raiyn doesn't have to cop it all, the word is "Tragedy".

    And I wish people would stop using the word "Of" where they should use "Have".

    "He might of survived" is poor grammar. He might have survived. Learn the difference, and don't think you can get away with a contraction like might've, that's just ugly.

    Sorry Cookie, you didn't ask for this. But if I'm anything, it's fair.
    Hmmm. . .I guess all those years as an english major were for nothing. That is why I have an editor. I did not realize forums were so anal about spelling and grammer.

    Everyone has missed the whole point of this thread anyway. Now it has only become sophomoric rants and trolling.

    MODERATOR(s): Please lock the thread and put it our of its misery!
    It might have been worth saving. But it is too far gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiyn
    I would suppose that would be because they think you're smarter than you really are?

    I can see how that could happen.

    I give people the benefit of the doubt much too often.

    Your initial post in this thread is at best trollish and at worst completely inappropriate, and NOT just in placement
    This is one time I agree with Raiyn. Your post made me laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookiepuss
    Hmmm. . .I guess all those years as an english major were for nothing. That is why I have an editor. I did not realize forums were so anal about spelling and grammer.

    Everyone has missed the whole point of this thread anyway. Now it has only become sophomoric rants and trolling.
    I'm sorry I can't resist. It's grammar. We do have a rule here that states thet you should "do your best when it comes to spelling and grammar".

    I do apologize to you for the direction the thread turned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookiepuss
    Hmmm. . .I guess all those years as an english major were for nothing. That is why I have an editor. I did not realize forums were so anal about spelling and grammer.

    Everyone has missed the whole point of this thread anyway. Now it has only become sophomoric rants and trolling.
    Are you looking for someone to agree with you? If you really studied English (English Lit myself, thank you, along with 2 other majors) you wouldn't have made such a foolish comment. Nor would you have spelled "Grammar" wrong.

    Phinney didn't miss the point, he called you out on that too. But don't take it too personal. I wouldn't have been so critical of your grammar if it were not for Raiyn going off on Nikadimus.

    Cheers.

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    What can I says? I guess us folks that got our learn on in the south (US) ain't so smart. Even if wes did go to collage.

    I wouldn't have been so critical of your grammar if it were not for Raiyn going off on Nikadimus.
    Had nothing to do with me. So that makes no sense. I guess you were pulling for the popcorn crowd. . .

    I did drop out of college to take up IT. So perhaps I missed the lessons on how to sound like a know it all on forums. FromnowonIwillnotusespaceseither. And I will end sentences with "at" as well as double negatives.

    No more bumping this post from me. . .
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    In before the lock with a joke...
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    A southerner is walking around the campus of Harvard, looking for the library. He asks a student walking by, "'Scuse me sir, couldja tell me where the library's at?"

    The student replies derisively, "This is Harvard; we don't end sentences with prepositions!"

    The southerner replies, "Well then coudja tell me where the library's at, dumba55?"
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    Oboe stole my joke!

    Cookie, as I stated, I'm a fair guy. I didn't want Nikadimus to feel I was picking on him, so I had to correct your grammar too. I'm sure you'll get over it if you haven't already.

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