I have read through the "Real cost of driving" thread, and one thing I noticed is that we never really nailed the gripe we have with cars.
What is our gripe?
1) cars pollute
2) cars make people lazy and overweight
3) cars pose a serious risk of injury to cyclists
4) cars promote a lifestyle of "I will do what I want, when I want, where I want"
5) cars will turn little ol' granny into a rude a$$hole
From my perspective of the "Real cost of driving" thread, it would seem to me that even if cars had absolutely zero emissions and were solar powered, cyclists would still not be happy, until there is a significant reduction of cars on the roads, mainly because we don't want to get runover by one, which is a good argument.
Personally, I would like to see more people enjoying life outside their cars than being stuck in traffic jams. Lets face it driving is not relaxing, it can be stressful.
I don't want to drag over the old thread again debating driving vs cycling. What I want to know is (as a cycling community) what is it we really want.