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    Confrontation with delivery guy

    Just got in from my commute to work. Took the longer route and was riding down a 4-lane street. A large box, delivery van was in my mirror, coming at a fast speed and I saw that he was going out and around me. I thought he was just going to pass me. But no... the usual flip on the right turn signal and pulled into the lot of a large grocery store and strip mall. Granted there was some room, and he didn't come close enough to hit me, but a seconds difference and I wouldn't have had a chance. He couldn't judge my speed going that fast. Typical jerk.

    Well I thought, "Should I go over and have a little talk with the guy". I didn't see what "type" of person he was, but thought what the heck. As I got closer to his van, backed up to the store, I realized I may be in for a fight (words?, fist? who knows?). He was a younger guy, lots of tattoos, big arms, baseball cap on. I thought "Oh Boy!".

    I said "Hey how ya' doin'" and started to say something about when he had just passed me and ...

    Then he let loose with a "Get the F#%& away from me".

    I tried to proceed with my argument and he said it again and started to push his door open in my direction. If he'd swung it all the way he would have knocked me over. I said " do you want to get fired?" and he said, "I won't get fired, I'm just doing my job" (ever heard that before?). I said " Well your not doing your job running me off the road". He said "I didn't run you off the road you a#$hole". Then I let loose and told him to F#%& Off! I couldn't help myself. It degenerated as I rode away thinking better of having a smack in the mouth. Luckily if that would have happened the police station was 1/8 of a mile away. Good thing I left when I did.

    Did I do wrong? Should I report the guy to his company? Is it worth it to get myself all frazzed up about this? The thing that frosts me the most is that I was trying to me reasonable and when he spoke to me the way he did, it instantly when from nice to not-so-nice.

    My coworkers thing I should call. I've done things like that before and nothing ever comes of it. Usually the bossman defends the driver and blames the cyclist.

    Let me know what you think.

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    Originally posted by bikeman
    The thing that frosts me the most is that I was trying to be reasonable
    Yup, there are COUNTLESS low-lifes in this world that do not respond to reasoning. Rest assured, that given his attitude, you are surely living a better life, and are a better person than said jag-off.

    Live your life, and let him go back to his life of beating the dog and wife. For him, living his life is most likely enough punishment.

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    Should have made his day and called the company he works for and give them an ear-full. Maybe he was having a bad day but, f*** him.

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    Definately call his company. It can't hurt. Plus, the next time he might really hurt someone.

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    Let's see, you could call his company and complain to the boss and let him know that your next call is to the BBB to let them know how the company handles complaints, and then you could call the police station to let them know how people are driving on their streets when they're not looking.

    It may not accomplish much but you will have notified all parties with the possibility of interest. If the boss knows you're contacting the BBB and the police to have the vehicles watched more closely the boss may be more inclined to straighten out the disgruntled driver. If you do nothing you can be sure that nothing will happen except for more careless driving.

    I called about a delivery driver once and was quite satisfied with the response of the boss...he was upset that the driver was not adhering to safety policy and reprimanded him for it; he also asked if I wanted a personal apology call from the employee...I declined. My intention was not to secure an apology but better driving on public roads.

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    If nothing else, he should get reprimanded for his lousy PR. If I had a company, I sure wouldn't want my employees swearing at the general public or driving like asses.

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    Well I called his bossman.

    He was very reasonable and said he appreciated me letting him know about his driver. I explained that I thought he had a bit of an anger management problem and that he (the boss) should be aware of it. I didn't have the number of his truck, but when I described the driver I heard a "hmm, " like in "yes we know about this bad boy" (probably I'm reading into it, but that was my take on it). He said he would speak to him. I also threw in that if I ever had to deal with him on the road again that I would expect NO revenge on his part. I thought he should be more respectful of - as I said "all bicyclists, motorcycles and other cars on the street". Maybe the guy has been a problem all along and this will be the final straw.

    I was very professional and let him know that the near miss and speed was not the issue as much as the way he handled himself in public and represented his company. I have near misses everyday and most people are apologetic or at least don't tell me to my face to "F@#$ off".

    I feel much better now.

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    It´s always dificult deciding what to do... 50/50% chance to recieve a nice treatment from the boss of the company. Glad it went well.

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    :thumbup: Right on bikeman!

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    I don't know, Bikeman. If you feel better, great. I guess I have a different attitude about such people. Sure, it ticks me off sometime when someone does something stupid like this, but I take a philosophical approach. People like this guy aren't going to change because they get reprimanded, fired or go to jail. They have been there before because, in their minds, "everyone is against me." I take some satisfaction from knowing that losers like this will be reaping the fruits of their bad attitudes all their lives unless they decide to change, going from job to job, marriage to marriage, fight to fight. Nothing I can do will make their life any worse than they are already doing. I just feel sorry for their wives and kids.

    Also, other than occasional diversions and longer rides, I take pretty much the same route to work and home every day at pretty much the same time. I see a lot of the same cars and trucks. I figure if I give vent to any frustration by flipping someone off or yelling an obscenity, I may have painted a target on my back. Next time that 2 foot blow by that just ticked me off me might be reduced to one foot or 6 inches. I can envision all kinds of things a driver can do to make my live miserable. I don't need that kind of help.
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    Originally posted by RainmanP
    Also, other than occasional diversions and longer rides, I take pretty much the same route to work and home every day at pretty much the same time. I see a lot of the same cars and trucks.
    I know what you mean about seeing the same people on the commute everyday. I try always to be courteous to those folks, figuring I'll be seeing them again soon. This particular route is not as common a one for me, but with a tailwind and a few extra minutes I took it. I figure since he's a delivery guy to a beer/wine business he won't be doing that every day.

    Nothing will change a guy like that. True his life is probably miserable and anyone with that many tattoos obviously has something to prove. I just thought this time the guy needed a little education. Obviously he didn't think so and told me right off. In retrospect and replaying the scene in my head a few dozen times, he KNEW that he did wrong by me or he wouldn't have jumped down my throat so quickly. His was a defensive reaction figuring he'd scare me off. Too bad I didn't play the age card on him and tell him to respect his elders (I'm sure my eldest son if his age) but I doubt that would have meant much to a disfunctional person such as him.

    I plan on paying a visit to the nearby police station and informing them that they should be on the lookout for speeding on the boulevard by delivery trucks. I doubt I'll ever have to deal with the guy again.

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    It's great that you called. I always want to, but never do. I just say "Oh, they'll get their's later," which is probably true. But with your way they get some now and then some later too.

    Talk about having a target on your back--I have a bright triangle on my bike. People see me on it and say "I always see your bike parked downtown". I can never be too rude to anyone because they will see my bike on campus and trash it. It helps me keep my behavior in check. Too bad I can't do anything about those I make mad by my very existence on the road!

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    I think you were right to call the boss, Bikeman.

    Maybe the delivery guy is a terminal jerk and he'll never change but his boss ought to know. The next time he may hurt or kill someone. If he hurts or kills someone on company time with the company truck, guess who's going to pay? The company (or the company's insurance).

    So, if the boss is smart he's going to address this issue. At a minimum, you've put him on notice that his delivery guy is a liability.

    If I were the boss, I'd be glad you called.
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    In general, I think a decent "cool head" report is a good thing. You seemed to get a very understanding boss -- or maybe that driver already has a bad record.

    If i were the boss, I would appreciate receiving such a report, because while it is hard to base one's judgment on a single report (especially if I had to fire a guy), it becomes much easier to consider when a few similar reports come in.

    The sad fact is that such a jerk will probably end up loosing his job... but will continue to drive trucks as a freelancer.

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    Garbagemouth with the tattoos and big arms is strong.

    Your legs are very strong.

    Carry a pepper shaker, or spray can of oleoresin capsicum.

    When all else fails and it appears that you are just about to get your butt kicked, toss pepper in his eyes. Kick his nuts up behind his left ear.

    It wuz self-defence. You were scared to death of the big guy with the big arms and big tattoos and big mouth. You are so very truly sorry that you had to resort to violence but you feared that he might seriously injure you.

    Right?

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    Originally posted by vlad
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    It wuz self-defence. You were scared to death of the big guy with the big arms and big tattoos and big mouth. You are so very truly sorry that you had to resort to violence but you feared that he might seriously injure you.

    Right?
    You got a good laugh out of me with that one! I'd never resort to violence. But then of course if it looked like he was going to clock me a good one, there is that 12 inch air pump that could be shoved where the sun don't shine.

    I only hope he (and others like him) don't hurt anyone in the process of venting their frustrations.

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    Bikeman,

    Your coworkers are right, my friend.

    "Speak softly, but carry a BIG stick."

    --Teddy Roosevelt
    No worries

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    Originally posted by bikeman
    My coworkers thing I should call. I've done things like that before and nothing ever comes of it. Usually the bossman defends the driver and blames the cyclist.

    Let me know what you think.
    I think that a person such as you described may be simply one complaint away from termination. If not, his number will come up, soon enough.

    Hasten the process.

    Oh--and find a way to bypass his supervisor, who is likely covering his hinderparts.
    No worries

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    I take pretty much the same route to work and home every day at pretty much the same time. I see a lot of the same cars and trucks. I figure if I give vent to any frustration by flipping someone off or yelling an obscenity, I may have painted a target on my back.
    It works both ways. Hypothetical: A crappy white Ford station wagon buzzes past me on my morning ride, If (in my shock of nearly being killed) I forget to get his rego number, I will just wait until the next day, guaranteed I will see the same car tomorrow.

    Something similar happened recently. A car passed me while riding and the driver put his hand up to his temple in a gun fashion, to say I was either crazy or I was going to get killed. The next day I saw the same car pull in front of me while I'm driving. For a moment I was thinking about giving this teenager a lesson in good manners, then I figured the cops would just bust me for being an a@@hole, and book me for some driving offence. Maybe if I see him in a car park, I might say something, or at least get his rego number. It is a small world, don't piss people off.

    CHEERS.

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    I am in the transportaion end of things was a dispatcher for many years and still have drivers under me. We always want to hear about behavior like that. It is bad press for our company to have a jerk like that lose on the street. However I suggest instead of confronting the driverthat can be dangerous what if he decide to beat thr c@@p out of you. Even your pump wouldn't help, weapons are easy to take away and be used against you. We have a woman on one of our local forums here that has a zen biking website and I rea done of her post and when she runs into unruly drivers she smiles and rides on and tries to think of positive things, like jeez what a nice day for a ride, or aren't I lucky enough to be on this bike etc. It sounds corny but it is better for you not ot confronet and healthier. Always contact the company involved and if you do not get the satifaction you are looking for work your way up the company ladder until you find some one who understands the word liability. If that driver ahd hit you what would of the cost been. Most upper management'/owner types are bottom line kind of people
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    We have many time concluded the driving public is nuts. A psycyo can go off. I recall newspaper clippings of cyclists being chased and shot to death, here in the U.S. Just like motorists on the highway are told to not inflame the situation, the person could be 'over the edge.' That applies to cyclists.
    I know my initial instincts are to scream back at them. You could get shot, I would remember.. I would seriously consider reporting such a** holes to their managers. I am sure I would. that is safe way to get back. Since it is safe I would do it...Don't like being passive when don't have to.

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