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Old 08-17-05, 12:04 PM   #1
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Seattle, Sunday. almost ran down 50 plus roadies!

two lane road, Harbor Island bridge going east bound. we had the light but there was a large group of riders that thought it was ok to cut infront of us, going the opposite direction. had the car infront of us not stopped, we would have continued to drive as we had the right of way.

the riders seemed completely oblivious to the fact that they were holding up traffic and didn't have the right of way.

I cussed and threw things out my window at them. *

























*not really, but I wanted to. jerks!
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Old 08-17-05, 12:35 PM   #2
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two lane road, Harbor Island bridge going east bound. we had the light but there was a large group of riders that thought it was ok to cut infront of us, going the opposite direction. had the car infront of us not stopped, we would have continued to drive as we had the right of way.

the riders seemed completely oblivious to the fact that they were holding up traffic and didn't have the right of way.

I cussed and threw things out my window at them. *
*not really, but I wanted to. jerks!
It's not clear how they cut you off. They were going the opposite direction. Did they make a left turn in front of you?
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Old 08-17-05, 12:51 PM   #3
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oh,yea. sorry...

they were going in the opposite direction and took a left...

the road we came down is a bridge that had opened for boat traffic. the bikers got a head start when the light changed at their end of the bridge. when we got to the light they were at, they didn't yeild to us/other cars but just kept going left, even though we had the right of way...
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maybe they thought they were better than you?
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Old 08-17-05, 01:33 PM   #5
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maybe they thought they were better than you?
oh, I'm sure of it!
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Herd Mentality.

If I were in a group of 50 riders, I wouldn't want to be "the one" that stops, which could just as easily cause a pile-up. Being that the lead car (with the right of way) had not gone, it meant it was safe (though maybe not legal) for the riders to keep going.

If it were 1 - 5 riders, I'd consider them jerks. If it's a group, they kept following the herd, who knows how sparatic their group may have been had they waited to go one by one through open spots in traffic.
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A tight group of cyclists should be treated as a single large vehicle, and if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning, you should expect to wait for the entire group to clear the intersection before it is your turn to go.

And if the car in front of you stopped to let the cyclists proceed, you don't have the right-of-way until the car in front of you proceeds, either.

It sure doesn't sound to me like something you should be getting your panties all bunched up about. What did it cost you? One cycle of the light, maybe 30 seconds or a couple of minutes max?
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Old 08-17-05, 02:19 PM   #8
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maybe they thought they were better than you?
The Subject Name fooled me. I thought it was a joke along the lines what's funnier than 50 obnoxious roadies/lawyers/you-name-'em run over?

Never mind
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Old 08-17-05, 02:40 PM   #9
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I understand the heard mentaility thing.

the thing is, they were stopped at a light. most still had their feet on the ground when we rolled up to them.

either way, one more reason to think roadies are scum.
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That's what I was going to say, but you beat me to it.

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A tight group of cyclists should be treated as a single large vehicle, and if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning, you should expect to wait for the entire group to clear the intersection before it is your turn to go.

And if the car in front of you stopped to let the cyclists proceed, you don't have the right-of-way until the car in front of you proceeds, either.

It sure doesn't sound to me like something you should be getting your panties all bunched up about. What did it cost you? One cycle of the light, maybe 30 seconds or a couple of minutes max?
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Old 08-17-05, 03:20 PM   #11
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A tight group of cyclists should be treated as a single large vehicle, and if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning, you should expect to wait for the entire group to clear the intersection before it is your turn to go.

And if the car in front of you stopped to let the cyclists proceed, you don't have the right-of-way until the car in front of you proceeds, either.

It sure doesn't sound to me like something you should be getting your panties all bunched up about. What did it cost you? One cycle of the light, maybe 30 seconds or a couple of minutes max?
This is only "if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning." That isn't the case, though, as the OP described.
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This is only "if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning." That isn't the case, though, as the OP described.
The car in front stopped to let them go. If you're behind that car, you wait. Simple as that.
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The car in front stopped to let them go. If you're behind that car, you wait. Simple as that.
Eh, we don't know if the car was forced to stop because of a jumpy group or what. Arguing over events we were not there to witness is useless at best. I have seen cyclists not even slow down to take a left at a light while the cars coming in the opposite direction brake like mad to keep the cyclist from meeting Darwin in the afterlife. Who knows. No matter how many wheels they have under them, you can count on stupidity coming up everywhere.
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A tight group of cyclists should be treated as a single large vehicle, and if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning, you should expect to wait for the entire group to clear the intersection before it is your turn to go.
You contradict yourself.

A vehicle has to have the right-of-way for the entire time it will be in an intersection. If I start turning and the light turns red while I'm in the intersection, I can be ticketed for running a red light.
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Share the road . . .
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My point is still that the OP is getting his panties in a twist over something that cost him at most 2 minutes of his time, and he was doing something nice for the cyclists while he waited.
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My point is still that the OP is getting his panties in a twist over something that cost him at most 2 minutes of his time, and he was doing something nice for the cyclists while he waited.
Or maybe he's just trying to get OUR panties in a twist.

It's funny how folks, when they see a cyclist do something wrong, lay it on all cyclists. But every time I get on the road, on bike or car, EVERY CAR is exceeding the speed limit, not coming to a stop at stop signs or when making a right on red, cutting each other off. But that's A-OK.
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A tight group of cyclists should be treated as a single large vehicle, and if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning, you should expect to wait for the entire group to clear the intersection before it is your turn to go....
Is that something that appears in the traffic codes somewhere, or is that just a rule-of-thumb for cyclists?
I agree with it as a practical principle, but it seems to go against bikes following the same rules as vehicles.
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A tight group of cyclists should be treated as a single large vehicle, and if they had the right-of-way when the beginning of the group started turning, you should expect to wait for the entire group to clear the intersection before it is your turn to go.
Life must be so much more interesting when you make up your own rules of the road. I bet there's never a dull moment.

Seriously, high-speed group rides are problematic from an advocacy standpoint. We want to be treated like other vehicles, but if you behaved like this with any other vehicle they'd lock you up in a heartbeat. This sort of behavior also makes it hard to promote the notion that cyclists are legitimate transportational users of the roads.
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Life must be so much more interesting when you make up your own rules of the road. I bet there's never a dull moment.

Seriously, high-speed group rides are problematic from an advocacy standpoint. We want to be treated like other vehicles, but if you behaved like this with any other vehicle they'd lock you up in a heartbeat. This sort of behavior also makes it hard to promote the notion that cyclists are legitimate transportational users of the roads.
You're so right I'm just speechless....
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A tight group of motorcycle riders also ride as a group. Sometimes a road captain will block traffic with their bike to allow the group to pass through the intersection and then join the back of the ride. It is like a funeral procession.
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Life must be so much more interesting when you make up your own rules of the road. I bet there's never a dull moment.

Seriously, high-speed group rides are problematic from an advocacy standpoint. We want to be treated like other vehicles, but if you behaved like this with any other vehicle they'd lock you up in a heartbeat. This sort of behavior also makes it hard to promote the notion that cyclists are legitimate transportational users of the roads.
That's exactly what I was going to say. Actually you probably worded it better than I would have, so I guess it is better than what I was going to say.
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You contradict yourself.

A vehicle has to have the right-of-way for the entire time it will be in an intersection. If I start turning and the light turns red while I'm in the intersection, I can be ticketed for running a red light.
This is a sticky one, a cop can easily say you didn't start turning until it went red and it'll be very hard to fight. A judge (when fighting) might not like "I was trying to beat it, so I am sure it was yellow" as your defense.

If you are in the intersection while the light is green, you're OK to turn (example if you are blocking traffic and a few cars run the red leaving you sitting at a red in the middle of the street). If you are not in the intersection before the yellow, you should wait for the next green.
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Or maybe he's just trying to get OUR panties in a twist.

It's funny how folks, when they see a cyclist do something wrong, lay it on all cyclists. But every time I get on the road, on bike or car, EVERY CAR is exceeding the speed limit, not coming to a stop at stop signs or when making a right on red, cutting each other off. But that's A-OK.

Oh, well that stuff doesn't count. Those are cars, not Roadie Scum (TM).
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Car in front might have waved them through, seeing as it was a group of cyclist. I am sure your blood pressure meds kept you from blowing an artery seeing how you were so terribly inconvenienced.

Take another pill and try to contain yourself. I guess if the car had not been infront of you you would have run them down. Since they took your 'right of way' and all...they would be deserving of getting run over...
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