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Old 09-03-05, 01:23 PM   #1
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another pdx cyclist killed

okay, so i was told about this by a coworker who lives across the street from the scene. there's no news reports yet, so it's still heresy i guess.

apparently a guy was hit at 3:00a.m. while riding with his wife and baby (in a kid seat on the back of the woman's bike) up in NE, near MLK and Wygant. he was killed instantly, the wife and kid are okay. the driver took off and hasn't been found yet. why they had a baby out at 3:00 i don't know.

when are drivers going to wise up and start looking out? i live in this neighborhood, and people don't even stop for signs anymore, they just slow to 15-20 and roll through. scares the f##k out of me.

our obsession with cars has grown so intense that we feel invincible and infallible when we're inside them. my only hope is that the devastation in the gulf drives gas prices to $6 a gallon and nobody can afford to drive anymore.

let's all pour one out for those who've been killed or seriously injured in the streets. they're martyrs to me, dying while trying to do their part to save the environment, stay healthy or just make the world a simpler place.
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Old 09-03-05, 02:08 PM   #2
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How will my seventy year old grandparents get around. Get a freaking tandem. Real logical post.
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Old 09-03-05, 02:13 PM   #3
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I really see your point. I mean, your grandparents should probably be driving around all the time. It will give them something to do, and cheap gas is the only way they can do it. I bet they would just shrivel up and die without a big American car to cart them off to Bingo.

Yes, I'm being an insensitive ass. So are you, recneps345.
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I really see your point. I mean, your grandparents should probably be driving around all the time. It will give them something to do, and cheap gas is the only way they can do it. I bet they would just shrivel up and die without a big American car to cart them off to Bingo.

Yes, I'm being an insensitive ass. So are you, recneps345.
You sound like a real level-head guy. Why such hostility towards cars. How will they get to Bingo, then?
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Old 09-03-05, 02:21 PM   #5
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there's no news reports yet, so it's still heresy i guess.
heresy? heaven forbid!
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Old 09-03-05, 02:28 PM   #6
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Of all the motorists on the road, the 70-year-old grandparent contingent has to be one of the most dangerous and negligent, to both cyclists and other motorists.
The less of them on the road the better.
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Old 09-03-05, 02:28 PM   #7
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Wow, first time to check this subforum. The five or so that have responded to this thread seem like a couple of brain surgeons.
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Wow, first time to check this subforum. The five or so that have responded to this thread seem like a couple of brain surgeons.

What exactly is your point of contention?
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Old 09-03-05, 02:34 PM   #10
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It's not the cars, it's the bad drivers.
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It's not the cars, it's the bad drivers.
Exactly.
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Old 09-03-05, 02:36 PM   #12
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It's the bad drivers as far as we, the cyclists, are concerned.
It's the cars as far as the environment is concerned.
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what a quality thread this is.
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Old 09-03-05, 04:20 PM   #14
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Okay, my eyes have now seen the lite...After reading this thread, all of the cars parked on my street have atleast one flat tire...a couple of them have pipe bombs rigged to the gas tanks...ask me how
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Old 09-03-05, 04:22 PM   #15
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Seventy + seniors should be living in areas where there is public transportation to take them to places they want to go (grocery or bingo... or to the cassino...or otherwise). First hand experience of near catastropy and second hand stories of fatal run in w less than full alert seniors abound. (I lived in a part of NJ full of senior commutities) We will all be seniors, but that does not mean we'll all be able to drive or even bike safely. Public transportation at retirement home villages or by living in cities with public transportation (and where there are cultural experiences ) will enrich the lives of our seniors and us when we are seniors.

btw: In the DC area, 2 bicyclist were killed this month on the rec paths by cars!
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Old 09-03-05, 04:55 PM   #16
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wow... i just started this thread out of shock, remorse, and anger at another one of us being run down. didn't mean for it to turn into some ******** flame-fest. sorry... *heads back to his usual forum with head hung low*
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what? you are not going to 'ask' ? ...the clock's ticking..tic, tic
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i'm confused.
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i'm confused.
I've fallen and, I...can't.....get..
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Wow, what a thread.

For one thing it just shows how ridiculously hooked on cars this society is. My grandparents don't have a car and never have. And they don't miss it either.
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I don't think seniors should be restricted from driving altogether. I just think drivers should do the writtien and driven tests every time you get your license renewed. In WA its every 4 years I think. In AZ its never, so they'll have to figure something else out.
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How will my seventy year old grandparents get around. Get a freaking tandem. Real logical post.
If you're going to be a jerk about someone elses opinion, keep it to the Politics forum.
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If you're going to be a jerk about someone elses opinion, keep it to the Politics forum.
I think our elders should be provided complementary transportation by way of a 'bicycle taxi' -
"burouche'', ''lorrey'' -whatever...They do it in India, Burundi, China -you know, places where they elderly are respected. Expecting them to ride a tandem is not right..no, I draw the line at that.
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I think our elders should be provided complementary transportation by way of a 'bicycle taxi' -
"burouche'', ''lorrey'' -whatever...They do it in India, Burundi, China -you know, places where they elderly are respected. Expecting them to ride a tandem is not right..no, I draw the line at that.
The OP made a quite obvious exaggeration that $6/gal would force all cars off the road. recneps345 decided to take it all to literally and then bring up a case where it may be beneficial to have a car due to a lack of alternative.

The point of the OP's post was that drivers need to wise up, stop driving like idiots because they feel they are invincible, and start looking out for us on bikes so these senseless deaths can stop happening.
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The OP made a quite obvious exaggeration that $6/gal would force all cars off the road. recneps345 decided to take it all to literally and then bring up a case where it may be beneficial to have a car due to a lack of alternative.

The point of the OP's post was that drivers need to wise up, stop driving like idiots because they feel they are invincible, and start looking out for us on bikes so these senseless deaths can stop happening.

With regards to your post...As a non-car/internal combustion machine owner, I still give props to all of the motorists out there who have shared the road with me and managed not to kill, maim or run me down. For every car and truck that has swirved, or applied the brakes at the oppertune time, -my helmet is off to you all. As for all the other a-hols and irresponsible people that are a threat to me and my bike, -eff 'em all...If one of them takes me out, -I will be sure to leave a big bloody smashed up hood or windshield, God willing...Ameen
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