Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-21-02, 09:33 AM   #1
chewa
The Flying Scot
Thread Starter
 
chewa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: North Queensferry Scotland and London (and France)
Bikes: Custom (Colin Laing) 531c fast tourer/audax, 1964 Flying Scot Continental, 1995 Cinelli Supercorsa, Holdsworth Mistral single speed, Dahon Speed 6 (folder), Micmo Sirocco and a few more
Posts: 1,904
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thin end of the wedge

I hear that City of Edinburgh Council are planning to ban cyclists from using the dual carriageway from the Forth to cramond (the main route in from Fife). Sustrans are supporting this view on the grounds of safety.

While I rarely use the DC on those grounds, using the longer cyclepath, I feel it is a move to be resisted as if we give in on this how long before we are banned from all roads.

it's much easier to ban cyclists than provide good straight cyclepaths or better still to police poor driving effectively.
__________________
plus je vois les hommes, plus j'admire les chiens

1985 Sandy Gilchrist-Colin Laing built 531c Audax/fast tourer.
1964 Flying Scot Continental (531)
1995 Cinelli Supercorsa (Columbus SLX)
1980s Holdsworth Mistral fixed (531)
2005 Dahon Speed 6 (folder)
(YES I LIKE STEEL)
2008 Viking Saratoga tandem
2008 Micmo Sirocco Hybrid (aluminium!)
2012 BTwin Rockrider 8.1
chewa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-02, 11:05 AM   #2
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
As cyclists are a minority, it would be a simple thing to sell the idea to motorists. In fact, it would be easy to sell this plan to many cyclists, as well.

Some countries are very efficient at banning cyclists from roads. In those places, it's very common for motorists to be especially
unforgiving to cyclists who stray off the path.

This is perhaps the main problem with "bicycle facilities." They promise greater freedom for cyclists, but really bring in greater restrictions. Want to clear cyclists off a particular road? Build a "bike path" alongside, and say to cyclists, "You ride there!"
__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-02, 11:10 AM   #3
webist
Huachuca Rider
 
webist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Charlotte, NC
Bikes: Fuji CCR1, Specialized Roubaix
Posts: 4,275
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
We just need many more well-behaved cyclists who are willing to use the roadway.

As long as a seeing cyclist is only a very occasional occurrance to a motorist, shoving them to the side will seem like a political decision that offends only a few.

Carl
__________________
Just Peddlin' Around
webist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-02, 11:59 AM   #4
Richard D
Donating member
 
Richard D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Faversham, Kent, UK
Bikes:
Posts: 1,852
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't think roads are truly inherently dangerous - it's the users that make them that way, but if a road has design problems, the road needs to be altered not users banned.

Any idea whether there is someone we can email to make our views known?

Richard
__________________
Currently riding an MTB with a split personality - commuting, touring, riding for the sake of riding, on or off road :)
Richard D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-02, 05:57 AM   #5
chewa
The Flying Scot
Thread Starter
 
chewa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: North Queensferry Scotland and London (and France)
Bikes: Custom (Colin Laing) 531c fast tourer/audax, 1964 Flying Scot Continental, 1995 Cinelli Supercorsa, Holdsworth Mistral single speed, Dahon Speed 6 (folder), Micmo Sirocco and a few more
Posts: 1,904
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't know Richard. As far as I'm aware this is something on which there will be no public consultation.

However, I'm on the case.
__________________
plus je vois les hommes, plus j'admire les chiens

1985 Sandy Gilchrist-Colin Laing built 531c Audax/fast tourer.
1964 Flying Scot Continental (531)
1995 Cinelli Supercorsa (Columbus SLX)
1980s Holdsworth Mistral fixed (531)
2005 Dahon Speed 6 (folder)
(YES I LIKE STEEL)
2008 Viking Saratoga tandem
2008 Micmo Sirocco Hybrid (aluminium!)
2012 BTwin Rockrider 8.1
chewa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-02, 02:26 PM   #6
John E
feros ferio
 
John E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Bikes: 1959 Capo; 1980 Peugeot PKN-10; 1981 Bianchi; 1988 Schwinn KOM-10;
Posts: 17,307
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 139 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by chewa
... As far as I'm aware this is something on which there will be no public consultation. ...
Is there any way to bring a legal challenge against traffic engineers or local governments who violate one's fundamental right to mobility? Yes, on this side of the Atlantic, we do overuse our court system, but sometimes it is justified ...

Fortunately, Calfornia municipalities are not permitted to ban bicycles from a given road without providing a safe, direct alternative.
__________________
"Early to bed, early to rise. Work like hell, and advertise." -- George Stahlman
Capo [dschaw'-poe]: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger, S/N 42624
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1981 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-02, 05:23 PM   #7
Pete Clark
It's in my blood
 
Pete Clark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Atlanta, Ga
Bikes:
Posts: 1,222
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by John E
Fortunately, Calfornia municipalities are not permitted to ban bicycles from a given road without providing a safe, direct alternative.
This is interesting. John Allen told a story on his website in which an officer (Boston?) ordered him off the road onto the nearby path. He challenged the officer on the grounds that a friend of his had been mugged on that path.

Since the alternative wasn't safe, he won the challenge. (I just don't remember if he went to court or simply convinced the officer.)
Pete Clark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:02 PM.