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Old 09-04-05, 01:21 PM   #1
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Crash toll shows iPod fans riding for a fall

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1887112005

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New figures from America, where the iPod boom was born, suggest eight out of 10 crashes involve driver distraction due to hi-tech gadgets.

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The researchers found that 80% of the crashes and 65% of the near crashes were a result of driver distraction.

The majority of the incidents involved the use of hi-tech devices, primarily hand-held mobile phones, but also personal digital assistants and digital music players.
I kind of laughed. Makes me glad that I ditched headphones when riding years and years ago...
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So now they are grouping ipods in with cell phones?

Sounds like a slight spin.

Of driver distraction:
Cell Phone: 50%
Children: 30%
Outside Happenings (i.e. hot girl, loose dog, funny billboard): 10%
Radio: 4%
mp3 Player: 4%
Other: 2%
(Remember, 62% of all statistics are made up on the spot).

If you group iPods in with Cell Phones, now you have "54%" hi tech gadgets. Hardly fair for iPod's to be grouped in like that.
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So now they are grouping ipods in with cell phones?

Sounds like a slight spin.

Of driver distraction:
Cell Phone: 50%
Children: 30%
Outside Happenings (i.e. hot girl, loose dog, funny billboard): 10%
Radio: 4%
mp3 Player: 4%
Other: 2%
(Remember, 62% of all statistics are made up on the spot).

If you group iPods in with Cell Phones, now you have "54%" hi tech gadgets. Hardly fair for iPod's to be grouped in like that.
You lie about 90% of the time. I made that up too.
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70% of all statiscs are made up. 65% of the population knows that one.
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70% of all statiscs are made up. 65% of the population knows that one.
That's 80% right.
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75% of people don't understand percentages.

Which means that 3/4s of you haven't understood what I've just written
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There are only 10 types of people in this world..

Those who understand binary... and those who don't.
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There are 3 kinds of lies:

1. Lies.

2. Damn lies.

3. Statistics.
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HereNt, since you are able to find such an obscure article that skews stats to attack Ipods, I am sure you can find and post the California law that prohibits headphones. I do not believe it exist. Every person who I have challenged to find the law has gone quite. All the claims of such a law have referenced:

CA law on Wearing of Headsets or Earplugs
27400. A person operating a motor vehicle or bicycle may not wear a headset covering, or earplugs in, both ears. This prohibition does not apply to any of the following:
1. (a) A person operating authorized emergency vehicles, as defined in Section 165.
(b) A person engaged in the operation of either special construction equipment or equipment for use in the maintenance of any highway.
(c) A person engaged in the operation of refuse collection equipment who is wearing a safety headset or safety earplugs.
(d) A person wearing personal hearing protectors in the form of earplugs or molds that are specifically designed to attenuate injurious noise levels. The plugs or molds shall be designed in a manner so as to not inhibit the wearer's ability to hear a siren or horn from an emergency vehicle or a horn from another motor vehicle.


The headset coverings and earplugs this law talks about are hearing protection devices and not music or cell headphones. The headsets are those Mickey mouse ear protection style coverings.

Odd, the example the article chooses in an attempt to show how dangerous Ipod headphones are, deals with a new driver who turns around to the passenger in the back seat. The driver was not even listening to the Ipod. How does this incident or any of the data on motor vehicle drivers correlate to cyclist that just listen to music and do not mess with their playlist while riding?

Seems their example shows it is dangerous to drive while not looking where you are driving, rather than the articles claim that cycling with headphones is dangerous.

Cell phones are a different situation where the driver engages in active conversation.

Granted my post may be a little “all over the map”, but then again, the article was completely “all over the map”.
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HereNt, since you are able to find such an obscure article that skews stats to attack Ipods, I am sure you can find and post the California law that prohibits headphones. I do not believe it exist. Every person who I have challenged to find the law has gone quite. All the claims of such a law have referenced:

CA law on Wearing of Headsets or Earplugs
27400. A person operating a motor vehicle or bicycle may not wear a headset covering, or earplugs in, both ears. This prohibition does not apply to any of the following:
1. (a) A person operating authorized emergency vehicles, as defined in Section 165.
(b) A person engaged in the operation of either special construction equipment or equipment for use in the maintenance of any highway.
(c) A person engaged in the operation of refuse collection equipment who is wearing a safety headset or safety earplugs.
(d) A person wearing personal hearing protectors in the form of earplugs or molds that are specifically designed to attenuate injurious noise levels. The plugs or molds shall be designed in a manner so as to not inhibit the wearer's ability to hear a siren or horn from an emergency vehicle or a horn from another motor vehicle.


The headset coverings and earplugs this law talks about are hearing protection devices and not music or cell headphones. The headsets are those Mickey mouse ear protection style coverings.

Odd, the example the article chooses in an attempt to show how dangerous Ipod headphones are, deals with a new driver who turns around to the passenger in the back seat. The driver was not even listening to the Ipod. How does this incident or any of the data on motor vehicle drivers correlate to cyclist that just listen to music and do not mess with their playlist while riding?

Seems their example shows it is dangerous to drive while not looking where you are driving, rather than the articles claim that cycling with headphones is dangerous.

Cell phones are a different situation where the driver engages in active conversation.

Granted my post may be a little “all over the map”, but then again, the article was completely “all over the map”.
You interpretation of the law is skewed. It says headsets, which include stereo head sets. The exemption has to do with heavy equipment and emergency vehicles that can cause ear damage. No where does it exempt stereo headsets. It is still illegal to wear music headsets.
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they can blame gadgets all they want...

But we all know that before gadgets these same drivers/riders was crashing from distractions anyways!!!!!


Just like everything else people need to point a finger at some thing. They need to only point a finger at idiot drivers and riders! Thank you .
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I kind of laughed. Makes me glad that I ditched headphones when riding years and years ago...
Yes, driving while talking on the phone is just like listening to an ipod while riding.......uh-huh.....
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100% of vehicle accidents are attributable to a loose nut behind the wheel.
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Yes, driving while talking on the phone is just like listening to an ipod while riding.......uh-huh.....
Eye roll... totally agree with you. I'm so not giving up the ipod. Or the phone for that matter.
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Death is responsible for 100% of all fatalities.
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and marriage is the leading cause of divorce...........
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and marriage is the leading cause of divorce...........
Plane crashes into cemetary, hundreds of bodies found!
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You interpretation of the law is skewed. It says headsets, which include stereo head sets. The exemption has to do with heavy equipment and emergency vehicles that can cause ear damage. No where does it exempt stereo headsets. It is still illegal to wear music headsets.
"headset covering" is the term used in the law and that term is not the same as the mini-headphones/earphones that fit into the ear (most state laws define these devices as “earphones attached to radio, tape player, or other similar device that provides the listener with radio programs, music, or other recorded information”). If the term "headset covering" was intended for use as "stereo headsets" or “earphones” then its has been mis-applied. The wording of the law is either outdated or not intended to apply to this type of earphones. Note that the law was updated last year. Why would the term earphones not have been inserted at that time, since the law was being updated anyway.

Of course it would not surprise me if CA law enforcement chose to mis-apply this law to include earphones. But it is improper unless the law is updated .

Read the Florida law if you want to see a law intended to outlaw headphones for bicyclist.

If you can show me a definition in the CA vehicle code that includes earphones under the term "headset covering", then I will concede to your wisdom. But, please excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

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I always thought those things were sucking ppl's brains out....
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Which means that 3/4s of you haven't understood what I've just written
Whaddayamean, 3/4s of me? There aren't that many of me.

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Just under half of you... but then again 2/3 of people don't understand fractions
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HereNt, since you are able to find such an obscure article that skews stats to attack Ipods, I am sure you can find and post the California law that prohibits headphones.
Um, actually, I just signed up for google alerts 'bicycle bike' and get news stories delivered that way. I'm not sure why you are talking about CA law, since you're in HI and I'm in MN...

At any rate, I just found it funny. I don't think I'm ever going to go back to the loss of my senses that riding with headphones creates...
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