Cowardly drivers (Rant warning)
10-21-05, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by genec
So what we have here are two 6 foot plus dudes, weighing it at well over 210+ out intimidating those that are foolish enough to get in their way. All well and good.
However, most of the cyclists I know are a bit on the smallish side... in the 5' 10" range and about 160-180... not exactly your "intimidating" types. I don't believe Lance would fit the "intimidator" picture either.
What do you folks suggest for these cyclists when the "jokers go wild?"
However, most of the cyclists I know are a bit on the smallish side... in the 5' 10" range and about 160-180... not exactly your "intimidating" types. I don't believe Lance would fit the "intimidator" picture either.
What do you folks suggest for these cyclists when the "jokers go wild?"
You realy dont want a conflict just get them to know they stand a very good chance of getting hurt badly if they push it.
Im a skiny sucker 6 to 6 1 150 to 155 pound range. I know i could break ribs with a single kick and i make sure that the potential threatening driver knows that i know this fact. Ive only had one guy start to open his door untill he seen my legs. He imidiatly changed his mind.
10-21-05, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chipcom
6'1" 230 here, 10 years as a Marine, trained in the finer arts of physical combat and self defense, made the US Olympic wrestling team, firearms instructor, etc. etc. blah, blah, who cares. 
That said, I think we all know that cracking someone who really deserves it isn't the best course of action in many cases. I really don't like spending time in jail with 300lb dudes named Bubba who want to make me their biatch.
That said, I think we all know that cracking someone who really deserves it isn't the best course of action in many cases. I really don't like spending time in jail with 300lb dudes named Bubba who want to make me their biatch.
Thanks though for pointing out the limits of physical retaliation. As any military person will tell you, in a great variety of cases the best response is not to further accelarate a confrontation. In the numerous incidents I had on my world tour I only had to get off the bike twice. Both times I would have been whooped if I got a fight started, so its just as well nothing ever happened.
And if you DO win, you go to court fresh after having beat up the locals. Not a good start.
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10-21-05, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by trackhub
Nice rant. Nothing wrong with ranting every now and then. It helps a lot to do so.
Cowards, bullies, asswipes, whatever you want to call them. They're everywhere. It is amazing how much courage some have when they're in a motorized vehicle and can make a clean getaway. (although in this age of video surveillance being so prevelant, the clean getaway might not be as clean as some think. Check traffic signal poles and supports in any urban area. Big Brother IS watching. Aggressive drivers, take note. The camera does not blink.)
They were college age? They belong back in junior high school. As for joe pickup truck, no, nothing new there at all.
Cowards? I say they're terrorists. How? Simple: they are using their vehicles to terrorize others, simple as that.
I don't know the political climate in Nevada. In Massachusetts, state legislators will periodically say that they are working to "clamp down" on aggressive, bullying drivers, and habitual drunk drivers. Of course, this goes nowhere. The Boston yellow pages (under lawyers) is full of ads for law firms that promise to get your license back, or to help you keep it, if you have a driving problem. Gee, they must be proud of their work. And yes, some of these lawyers are,,,, elected members of the state legislature. Is there a problem here?
Here is an example of the Massachusetts legislature at work:
https://news.bostonherald.com/localPo...ticleid=107871
Note that the Boston herald does not leave general news items posted for long. 24 hours, I think.
Well, that's my rant. Feels good, don't it?
Cowards, bullies, asswipes, whatever you want to call them. They're everywhere. It is amazing how much courage some have when they're in a motorized vehicle and can make a clean getaway. (although in this age of video surveillance being so prevelant, the clean getaway might not be as clean as some think. Check traffic signal poles and supports in any urban area. Big Brother IS watching. Aggressive drivers, take note. The camera does not blink.)
They were college age? They belong back in junior high school. As for joe pickup truck, no, nothing new there at all.
Cowards? I say they're terrorists. How? Simple: they are using their vehicles to terrorize others, simple as that.
I don't know the political climate in Nevada. In Massachusetts, state legislators will periodically say that they are working to "clamp down" on aggressive, bullying drivers, and habitual drunk drivers. Of course, this goes nowhere. The Boston yellow pages (under lawyers) is full of ads for law firms that promise to get your license back, or to help you keep it, if you have a driving problem. Gee, they must be proud of their work. And yes, some of these lawyers are,,,, elected members of the state legislature. Is there a problem here?
Here is an example of the Massachusetts legislature at work:
https://news.bostonherald.com/localPo...ticleid=107871
Note that the Boston herald does not leave general news items posted for long. 24 hours, I think.
Well, that's my rant. Feels good, don't it?
The original bill would have let prosecutors use prior drunken-driving convictions against defendants at sentencing. Following changes pushed by O'Flaherty and some peers, those histories cannot be introduced unless someone involved in the original case vouches for the conviction.
In some ways this seems a good idea. But a lot depends on what "Someone involved in the original case" means. If it truely means someone then it seems OK, it isn't that hard to get a prosecutor or judge to vouch for a conviction. If it means a victim I see a big problem, this is then a way for rich folks to buy their way out of trouble.
10-21-05, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Az B
I once had a young guy in a Mustang stop and cuss me out (and rightly so, but I was trying to apologize) and he just kept on and on even after I said sorry several times.
Finally, I just told him "Look, if my apology isn't enough you're just going to have to get out of that car and kick my ass. Otherwise you are basically acting like a scared 12 year old girl scout".
He didn't get out of the car. But he did drive away after a couple more insults.
There's a lot of courage in this world but only when people have a serious advantage; whether it's a 2 ton auto, a gun, or a 10:1 advantage in numbers. But get people face to face, one on one and it's suddenly time to be cautious.
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Finally, I just told him "Look, if my apology isn't enough you're just going to have to get out of that car and kick my ass. Otherwise you are basically acting like a scared 12 year old girl scout".
He didn't get out of the car. But he did drive away after a couple more insults.
There's a lot of courage in this world but only when people have a serious advantage; whether it's a 2 ton auto, a gun, or a 10:1 advantage in numbers. But get people face to face, one on one and it's suddenly time to be cautious.
Az
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Originally Posted by nova
Youd be suprised most non cyclists will see only the upper body arms etc as dangerous. So you draw attention to your legs. When you unclip do a little stretch or take a stance where they cant help but notice your legs. Maybe adjust the straps on your shoes tightening them up. In other words just do something to get them to notice your legs and the leg muscles.
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Another tidbit: In Massachusetts, the person who holds the job of Registrar of Motor Vehicles, (A politically appointed job, by the governor) has the right to revoke license of any driver who is, in his/her own judgment, an immediate threat to public safety. This is a fact, we all learn it (and promptly forget it) in driver's ed. Any driver whose license is revoked in this manner, has the right to appeal within a certain amount of time.
I have heard two things about this: It does happen, but it happens very rarely. I think it's time for the present Registrar to spend some time on the road, in the company of state troopers, and use this authority. Is this going to far? What's the law in your state on this?
I think it's great that some members here have some training in martial arts and physical combat. I say more power to you. But keep in mind, it doesn't mean anything to a some whack job, who is all fired up with male hormones, a low number of grey-cells, and who is at the wheel of a three ton missle.
Yeah, I see what you mean about the potential for the rich to buy their way out of a possible conviction. good thint that never hap,,,, Oh, never mind.
I have heard two things about this: It does happen, but it happens very rarely. I think it's time for the present Registrar to spend some time on the road, in the company of state troopers, and use this authority. Is this going to far? What's the law in your state on this?
I think it's great that some members here have some training in martial arts and physical combat. I say more power to you. But keep in mind, it doesn't mean anything to a some whack job, who is all fired up with male hormones, a low number of grey-cells, and who is at the wheel of a three ton missle.
Yeah, I see what you mean about the potential for the rich to buy their way out of a possible conviction. good thint that never hap,,,, Oh, never mind.
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Originally Posted by Roughstuff
Aww chipcom we should share a cell sometime!
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Originally Posted by chipcom
ROFL...there is a visual we can all do without. Imagine me posing and flexing my legs like some body builder - OMG I'd probably start shaving my legs too! Wonder if I could show some calf to catch a ride when hitching? 'Hey sailor, goin my way?'
haha
Any driver who gets out of his car when chalenged by a cyclists is 1 of a few thing
stupid and has a death wish
a pysco with a knife
or a psyco with a gun
Dont think there are many people that could take a full hit from a cyclist kicking them in the ribs unless they ride them selves or are a body builder.
I kicked a school locker one day cause a freind wanted to see just how much damage id do. We kicked our lockers at the same time i damn near folded the door in half on mine he nearly broke his foot. We both got 3 days vacation from that one. The principal just had this shocked look on his face when he seen mine.
Cyclists can do some serious damage. Im jus waiting to catch that guy in the white van that likes to run cyclists off the road parked some where one day.
Hmm i wonder what inch high time chalenge cleats will do to a van door......
10-21-05, 08:05 PM
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Idiots yell at me and they dont understand they cannot be heard yelling from a moving car going 30mph. They also dont understand a can usually chase them down and ask what's the problem. The town isnt that big so they are probably only a few blocks from where they are going. One little fat Bas@%$4 yelled hey A-Hole or something like that. He turned suddenly up a block after slowing down for one turn and not taking it. I figure he lives around there and sure enough he made the block. Came up on the car and said excuse me! Did you have something to say back there. Fat kid with the window up nodes no. I said are you sure cause it sounds like you yelled something at me. Nodes no again. So no one yelled at me? Nodes again. I told him well if you got anything to say i'll be heading south. You just come and find me. They weren't going to do anything after I knew where he and he's car stays. Did the same thing to another little skinny doper looking dork and he's buddys. 2 in the morning and I was behind him when getting out of his car half a mile from where he yelled at me. He said Oh Sh** you scared me. Asked if he yelled at me. This guy says I should leave. Asked again, say I better leave again. I told him I have yet to find out what was yelled and wanted to know what he wants. Little dork says nothing was yelled. Then told him if he wants to say something to someone on a bike next time get out of the car dont speed on past.
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Originally Posted by Deep_South
He said Oh Sh** you scared me. Asked if he yelled at me. This guy says I should leave. Asked again, say I better leave again.
You just got to love idiots in cars when you catch up to them. They act so tuff when they think they can get away clean and change their tone when you catch them.
Most people who scream and yell and act tuff are cowards. I think thats half the reason they do it. Trying to show that they are not cowards.
Personaly if some one runs me off the road and i end up catching them their will be hell to pay. I will beat the crap out of them no 2 ways about it. Im not some one who backs down. Just ask any of the schol bullies that i ended up pumeling or simply kicking them across the room. Takes alot to piss me off to that point but once im there your pretty well screwed if your the one who pushed it to far.
Ive been riding bikes from the time i was like 10 or 11. So ive always had well above avarage strength in my legs. I dont generaly ware shorts old habbit from my bmx days. Hated getting road rash or grass/dirt burns from crashes. Lone pants helps with that. Levis are damn hard to tare a hole in. So some punk would start something with me and id be in my levis they had no idea just what i was capable of with my legs till i delevered the kick that sent them flying.
10-22-05, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ArizonaAdam
Okay, two crummy incidents today, people are such cowards.
1) I rode my bike to get some lunch, as I was leaving there was a group of college men, none the less, that were acting stupid, hollering at girls, generally being idiots. So, I unlock my bike and start riding away. One of them throws an apple at me. I'm not generally the confrontational type, but I turn around, go back and say "what the heck'd you do that for." He's like wasn't me, man, I didn't do nothing. So, I go about my ride, and another apple comes sailing past me. I'm thinking, what a fricking puss. He'll get in my face so long as it's pointed away from him, but he's not even man enough to face me.
2) I'm riding home, not in the bike lane because it's filled with crap, a big pile of strewn rocks. This redneck a$$hole in a truck honks, and drives by lecturing me about how I should be in the bike lane. So, I catch up to him at the next light, and seriously, planned to be totally courteous and tell him that I wasn't in the bike lane because it wasn't safe and that I'm not bound by any law to ride there when its not safe. Of course, he starts in about how "he stays in his lane when there's rocks, why don't I call the county to get the bike lane cleaned up, etc, saying he did me a favor not running me down." So, already in a bad mood, I said get out of the truck and see if you're so tough. Of course, he's not interested in this at all. Another a$$hole coward.
Here's my analogy. I'm a big guy, 6', 220-230lbs. So, just because I'm bigger does this grant me the permission to pick on smaller people when I'm in a grocery store. The next time the line's too big should I just push the smaller folks aside? Hey, I'm bigger. If you want rights you should grow bigger too. But I don't do that, we're trying to have a society here.
I feel like the actions I took today give bikers a bad name, not because I did anything wrong, but because drivers perceive that I'm doing something wrong.
Sorry about the rant, just needed to get it out so I could get back to work. I'm better now, party tonight, weekend around the corner. Oh, and I thank those of you who read the whole thing.
Peace,
Adam
1) I rode my bike to get some lunch, as I was leaving there was a group of college men, none the less, that were acting stupid, hollering at girls, generally being idiots. So, I unlock my bike and start riding away. One of them throws an apple at me. I'm not generally the confrontational type, but I turn around, go back and say "what the heck'd you do that for." He's like wasn't me, man, I didn't do nothing. So, I go about my ride, and another apple comes sailing past me. I'm thinking, what a fricking puss. He'll get in my face so long as it's pointed away from him, but he's not even man enough to face me.
2) I'm riding home, not in the bike lane because it's filled with crap, a big pile of strewn rocks. This redneck a$$hole in a truck honks, and drives by lecturing me about how I should be in the bike lane. So, I catch up to him at the next light, and seriously, planned to be totally courteous and tell him that I wasn't in the bike lane because it wasn't safe and that I'm not bound by any law to ride there when its not safe. Of course, he starts in about how "he stays in his lane when there's rocks, why don't I call the county to get the bike lane cleaned up, etc, saying he did me a favor not running me down." So, already in a bad mood, I said get out of the truck and see if you're so tough. Of course, he's not interested in this at all. Another a$$hole coward.
Here's my analogy. I'm a big guy, 6', 220-230lbs. So, just because I'm bigger does this grant me the permission to pick on smaller people when I'm in a grocery store. The next time the line's too big should I just push the smaller folks aside? Hey, I'm bigger. If you want rights you should grow bigger too. But I don't do that, we're trying to have a society here.
I feel like the actions I took today give bikers a bad name, not because I did anything wrong, but because drivers perceive that I'm doing something wrong.
Sorry about the rant, just needed to get it out so I could get back to work. I'm better now, party tonight, weekend around the corner. Oh, and I thank those of you who read the whole thing.
Peace,
Adam
I feel your pain.
The second guy is using the mindset that since he is bigger (person + 5000lb vehicle)>(Cyclist+bike) he can bully you. Of course that is why he declined to get out of the truck, cause he would now be smaller. Typical coward. In this society we are definitely getting into the 'might is right' mindset.
And I don't know if I would have done anything different in your case. I consider myself calm but there are just times when some driver just does something utterly stupid that it is hard to contain myself.
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I keep pepper spray duct taped to the seatpost. I've had it with threatening drivers and the little games they play.
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As my Jeet Kune Do instructor was so fond of saying: "The best fight is the one you are not in..."
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I keep pepper spray duct taped to the seatpost. I've had it with threatening drivers and the little games they play.
Idiots yell at me and they dont understand they cannot be heard yelling from a moving car going 30mph.
Great society we have, isn't it? Someone can afford to buy a large cup of Dunkin Donuts Coffee, then throw it from a moving car at a bicyclist, "just because".
What's wrong here?
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Originally Posted by trackhub
Lucky you have that option. In Massachusetts, you cannot even carry defensive pepper spray without a special permit from the police department. Whether or not you get the permit is up to the general feelings and political beliefs of your local police chief. I do know a female bike commuter who went through the application process, (more than three months and she had to have a lawyer's help) because she was getting harrassed by the same cast of cowards every morning.
I once had someone lean out the passenger side of a car that was passing me at at least 30 mph, and hurl a cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee at me. The coffee circled around in a lovely arc, and splattered on the rear quarter and trunk lid. The Coffee tosser yelled something too, but it was total gibberish. (The car was a rather new Honda Accord, interestingly enough.) None of the coffee came anywhere near me. Yup, real Harvard grad students we got here.
Great society we have, isn't it? Someone can afford to buy a large cup of Dunkin Donuts Coffee, then throw it from a moving car at a bicyclist, "just because".
What's wrong here?
I once had someone lean out the passenger side of a car that was passing me at at least 30 mph, and hurl a cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee at me. The coffee circled around in a lovely arc, and splattered on the rear quarter and trunk lid. The Coffee tosser yelled something too, but it was total gibberish. (The car was a rather new Honda Accord, interestingly enough.) None of the coffee came anywhere near me. Yup, real Harvard grad students we got here.
Great society we have, isn't it? Someone can afford to buy a large cup of Dunkin Donuts Coffee, then throw it from a moving car at a bicyclist, "just because".
What's wrong here?
10-25-05, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by trackhub
Great society we have, isn't it? Someone can afford to buy a large cup of Dunkin Donuts Coffee, then throw it from a moving car at a bicyclist, "just because".
What's wrong here?
What's wrong here?
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Originally Posted by chipcom
Indeed! Wasting a cup of DD coffee? Bastards! On the bright side, at least they didn't waste a donut...otherwise I would have to hunt them down and lynch em!
Hell with linching them id try and catch it haha
Ive never had much trown at me few friends tossing shaving cream ballons at me when we were out riding our mtbs but that dont count.
In case your wondering how to make one that pops you got to add water as well realy messy heh.
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screw these buttheads..... it's not fair we pay the same taxes on the roads and crap.... next time i get yelled at im going to litteraly pull over the driver and im going to have a one on one talk.... people in the state of maine are just buttheads..... plus i really gets to me when i get spit on..... i happens rarley but.... if i catch him or her im going to kick the **** out of their car and im going to proceed to jump on their roof
