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Old 10-20-05, 05:41 PM   #1
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Cowardly drivers (Rant warning)

Okay, two crummy incidents today, people are such cowards.
1) I rode my bike to get some lunch, as I was leaving there was a group of college men, none the less, that were acting stupid, hollering at girls, generally being idiots. So, I unlock my bike and start riding away. One of them throws an apple at me. I'm not generally the confrontational type, but I turn around, go back and say "what the heck'd you do that for." He's like wasn't me, man, I didn't do nothing. So, I go about my ride, and another apple comes sailing past me. I'm thinking, what a fricking puss. He'll get in my face so long as it's pointed away from him, but he's not even man enough to face me.

2) I'm riding home, not in the bike lane because it's filled with crap, a big pile of strewn rocks. This redneck a$$hole in a truck honks, and drives by lecturing me about how I should be in the bike lane. So, I catch up to him at the next light, and seriously, planned to be totally courteous and tell him that I wasn't in the bike lane because it wasn't safe and that I'm not bound by any law to ride there when its not safe. Of course, he starts in about how "he stays in his lane when there's rocks, why don't I call the county to get the bike lane cleaned up, etc, saying he did me a favor not running me down." So, already in a bad mood, I said get out of the truck and see if you're so tough. Of course, he's not interested in this at all. Another a$$hole coward.

Here's my analogy. I'm a big guy, 6', 220-230lbs. So, just because I'm bigger does this grant me the permission to pick on smaller people when I'm in a grocery store. The next time the line's too big should I just push the smaller folks aside? Hey, I'm bigger. If you want rights you should grow bigger too. But I don't do that, we're trying to have a society here.
I feel like the actions I took today give bikers a bad name, not because I did anything wrong, but because drivers perceive that I'm doing something wrong.
Sorry about the rant, just needed to get it out so I could get back to work. I'm better now, party tonight, weekend around the corner. Oh, and I thank those of you who read the whole thing.
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Old 10-20-05, 06:21 PM   #2
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Nice rant. Nothing wrong with ranting every now and then. It helps a lot to do so.

Cowards, bullies, asswipes, whatever you want to call them. They're everywhere. It is amazing how much courage some have when they're in a motorized vehicle and can make a clean getaway. (although in this age of video surveillance being so prevelant, the clean getaway might not be as clean as some think. Check traffic signal poles and supports in any urban area. Big Brother IS watching. Aggressive drivers, take note. The camera does not blink.)

They were college age? They belong back in junior high school. As for joe pickup truck, no, nothing new there at all.

Cowards? I say they're terrorists. How? Simple: they are using their vehicles to terrorize others, simple as that.

I don't know the political climate in Nevada. In Massachusetts, state legislators will periodically say that they are working to "clamp down" on aggressive, bullying drivers, and habitual drunk drivers. Of course, this goes nowhere. The Boston yellow pages (under lawyers) is full of ads for law firms that promise to get your license back, or to help you keep it, if you have a driving problem. Gee, they must be proud of their work. And yes, some of these lawyers are,,,, elected members of the state legislature. Is there a problem here?

Here is an example of the Massachusetts legislature at work:

http://news.bostonherald.com/localPo...ticleid=107871

Note that the Boston herald does not leave general news items posted for long. 24 hours, I think.

Well, that's my rant. Feels good, don't it?
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Screw'em big guy they were lucky you are such a nice guy!
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Sometimes you've got to fight for your rights and the rights of others.

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Here's my analogy. I'm a big guy, 6', 220-230lbs.
Hey, I'm a small guy, 5'7", 150lbs and I've done that a few times
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Hey, I'm a small guy, 5'7", 150lbs and I've done that a few times
Driver who sits on his but most of the day v cyclist who rides 20+ every day drive 250 pounds cyclist 150 pounds who would win in a fight with out their vehical driver or cyclists?

I think cyclist with road shoes on would win hands down. We have stronger legs and are also faster with them. We have carbon fiber reenforced shoes that have next to no weight. Id say it would feel like getting hit with a sledge hammer to the person taking the hit.

Drivers may act like idiots till they get out of their car and see our legs. My bet is if any took you up on the chalenge at first they would soon change their minds once they were out of their car. The3y might be morons and stupid but they are not that stupid heh.

I wonder how much a typical cyclist can do weight wise with their legs on a standard weight sled type leg press?
I remember doing over 400 way back in 6th grade. Freaked a fair number of people out. His this scrawny little dude pushing as much weight if not more with their legs. At that tme i would have been lucky to weight 90 pounds. I was your typical 90 pound weakling other than my legs. I was heavy in to bmx jumping and did a fair bit of mtb riding. Had a junk murry mtb at the time.
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I wonder how much a typical cyclist can do weight wise with their legs on a standard weight sled type leg press?
Here's the way I look at it. I've got a hard core gym friend, always working out, every inch cut and chiseled. I'm sure he could kill me all day at the leg press, but when we go riding, he usually keeps up for about 2 minutes, then the rest of the day I sit around waiting.
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You and I are the same weight though I'm 1 inch shorter. I also have years of martial arts training.

I would have picked both apples up off the pavement and made him eat them.
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You and I are the same weight though I'm 1 inch shorter. I also have years of martial arts training.

I would have picked both apples up off the pavement and made him eat them.
I too have many years and assorted ranks in Tae Kwan Do, Brazillian Jujitsu, and Judo. The problem is I'm generally opposed to being arrested, which is what happens here to the person who isn't bleeding after a fight. I don't want to waste my life and possibly my future professional license on an idiot.
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well, it is all well and good to say "wall I woulda kicked his a** yada, yada, yada", but then if the party in the motor vehilce was bigger than you with a tire iron, or a bottle, or a handgun, and is psyco, then there are no winners. Even if you are 100% in the right, there are some crazed idiots out there. My point is, avoid confronting strangers on the street, even if they are wrong. However, if you get cornered, and there is no way out, then by all means, f*** em up!
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Well, you could believe in karma and that the college guy will get VD on spring break and his manly equipment will fall off or you could ride around the corner, pick up some eggs, ride around, whip it at them and high tail it outta there. Cuz sometimes karma's kinda slow.
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...being arrested, which is what happens here to the person who isn't bleeding after a fight...
In my little hick town and all the other hick towns in this area, the deputy waits for the fight to end...then they take the loser to jail. Pretty cool, I guess.
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I too have many years and assorted ranks in Tae Kwan Do, Brazillian Jujitsu, and Judo. The problem is I'm generally opposed to being arrested, which is what happens here to the person who isn't bleeding after a fight. I don't want to waste my life and possibly my future professional license on an idiot.
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Fight? what fight? I would have made him actually eat them.
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Generally, after the second apple, i would be taking notes of the license plate, and making a plan. Packing a bacon into the muffler of the car next time you see it (use a broomstick...packit DEEP), will assure a pullover once the stuff starts burning. It also does some other nasty things.

If they lived near me, well...time to have some fun with adhesives...let your imagination run wild like the noble badger....as free as the excrement of the mighty squirrel.....as....uh....WTF am I saying???

Rememeber....superglue is a**hole-ese for "good times!"
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college men... isn't that an oxymoron ?
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Years ago, a beer bottle flew by my head as I was riding in my neighborhood. Later, I found it was one of my "friends." Go figure.

Recently, a pickup truck driver towing a long trailer pulled out behind me from a parking lot. There was nobody on the road and it was about 6:30 am., dark. He blares his horn at me. A half-mile up the road, I see him turn into a dead-end street. I followed him and watched him park as I pulled up on my bike. He wouldn't even give me eye contact. I guess he figured he could treat me any old way because I'd never catch up to him?

Fortunately, there are so many courteous people that these kinds of things sort of fade.
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I too have many years and assorted ranks in Tae Kwan Do, Brazillian Jujitsu, and Judo. The problem is I'm generally opposed to being arrested, which is what happens here to the person who isn't bleeding after a fight. I don't want to waste my life and possibly my future professional license on an idiot.
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6'1" 230 here, 10 years as a Marine, trained in the finer arts of physical combat and self defense, made the US Olympic wrestling team, firearms instructor, etc. etc. blah, blah, who cares.
That said, I think we all know that cracking someone who really deserves it isn't the best course of action in many cases. I really don't like spending time in jail with 300lb dudes named Bubba who want to make me their biatch. But our size does intimidate those who are smaller and that works to our advantage to avoid getting a lot of crap in the first place, but it's really fun, when you do need to 'speak' to someone to put on a smile and a cheery disposition as you explain all the technical aspects required to rip someone's head off and shove it up their okole! What I find myself doing with rude drivers the most, when I can pull up next to them at a light, is a simple 'howdy, I see you are having problems driving that thing...anything I can do to help?' with a smile on my face and my eyes giving no doubt that I am pissed off. I learned the value of a smile from my Dad...cuz when he smiled at me I knew I was in for a butt-whippin!
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Generally, after the second apple, i would be taking notes of the license plate, and making a plan. Packing a bacon into the muffler of the car next time you see it (use a broomstick...packit DEEP), will assure a pullover once the stuff starts burning. It also does some other nasty things.

If they lived near me, well...time to have some fun with adhesives...let your imagination run wild like the noble badger....as free as the excrement of the mighty squirrel.....as....uh....WTF am I saying???

Rememeber....superglue is a**hole-ese for "good times!"
Yepper, as a great philosopher (or somebody anyway) once said - "don't get mad, don't get even, get ahead!' (or was it get head...memory is the first to go ya know)
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So what we have here are two 6 foot plus dudes, weighing it at well over 210+ out intimidating those that are foolish enough to get in their way. All well and good.

However, most of the cyclists I know are a bit on the smallish side... in the 5' 10" range and about 160-180... not exactly your "intimidating" types. I don't believe Lance would fit the "intimidator" picture either.

What do you folks suggest for these cyclists when the "jokers go wild?"
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So what we have here are two 6 foot plus dudes, weighing it at well over 210+ out intimidating those that are foolish enough to get in their way. All well and good.

However, most of the cyclists I know are a bit on the smallish side... in the 5' 10" range and about 160-180... not exactly your "intimidating" types. I don't believe Lance would fit the "intimidator" picture either.

What do you folks suggest for these cyclists when the "jokers go wild?"
Do like my little 15lb pugle does, act like a big dawg. You don't have to be large to intimidate, it comes from what you project. Take Charlie Manson for example...he's just a little feller, but the look in his eye and his manner project 'I am a crazy mofo and you don't want to tick me off'. If you project total confidence, no fear and a hint of being crazy...trust me you will intimidate people....especially them bully types that are all mouth.
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I'm 5'10, 171 lbs myself and when my buttons have been pushed, I've invited a few of these morons to pull over, get out of their vehicle, and "discuss the applicable provisions of the Vehicle Code" with them. Once I was riding home from work and still wearing a tie. Not one of these tough guys has ever had the nerve to accept my offer.
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Do like my little 15lb pugle does, act like a big dawg. You don't have to be large to intimidate, it comes from what you project. Take Charlie Manson for example...he's just a little feller, but the look in his eye and his manner project 'I am a crazy mofo and you don't want to tick me off'. If you project total confidence, no fear and a hint of being crazy...trust me you will intimidate people....especially them bully types that are all mouth.

Well OK, crazy does work... as demonstrated by a girlfriend long long ago... she had a run in with a driver and confronted him... she was about 4 foot and change... she picked her bike up and started yelling at the guy and he backed away as fast as possible and took off like a rocket.

Guess that old Robin Williams "mondo crazy" thing is still a good defense.
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I once had a young guy in a Mustang stop and cuss me out (and rightly so, but I was trying to apologize) and he just kept on and on even after I said sorry several times.

Finally, I just told him "Look, if my apology isn't enough you're just going to have to get out of that car and kick my ass. Otherwise you are basically acting like a scared 12 year old girl scout".

He didn't get out of the car. But he did drive away after a couple more insults.

There's a lot of courage in this world but only when people have a serious advantage; whether it's a 2 ton auto, a gun, or a 10:1 advantage in numbers. But get people face to face, one on one and it's suddenly time to be cautious.

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6'1" 230 here, 10 years as a Marine, trained in the finer arts of physical combat and self defense, made the US Olympic wrestling team, firearms instructor, etc. etc. blah, blah, who cares.
That said, I think we all know that cracking someone who really deserves it isn't the best course of action in many cases. I really don't like spending time in jail with 300lb dudes named Bubba who want to make me their biatch. But our size does intimidate those who are smaller and that works to our advantage to avoid getting a lot of crap in the first place, but it's really fun, when you do need to 'speak' to someone to put on a smile and a cheery disposition as you explain all the technical aspects required to rip someone's head off and shove it up their okole! What I find myself doing with rude drivers the most, when I can pull up next to them at a light, is a simple 'howdy, I see you are having problems driving that thing...anything I can do to help?' with a smile on my face and my eyes giving no doubt that I am pissed off. I learned the value of a smile from my Dad...cuz when he smiled at me I knew I was in for a butt-whippin!
Ahh yes the old threat with a smile aproach. Nice calm voice smile on your face and a threat of breaking em in half.
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