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Old 09-27-02, 09:32 PM   #1
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What do naked riders and Critical Mass have in common?

A snippet from a local news story about the all-important bicycling advocacy event called Critical Mass.

Participants in San Francisco include financial district workers, bike messengers, costumed riders and, often, naked riders.

You'll find the story here: http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp...7&nav=5D7iBTzw

Now, really, all you Critical Mass fans. What exactly do costumed and naked riders have to do with safe riding? Or is reporting this the "biased media" working against your goals? Could this be an attention-grabbing device? If so, is this the attention you desire?

What is it you really want anyway?
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Now, really, all you Critical Mass fans. What exactly do costumed and naked riders have to do with safe riding? Or is reporting this the "biased media" working against your goals? Could this be an attention-grabbing device? If so, is this the attention you desire?

What is it you really want anyway?
Unfortunately events such as Critical Mass beckon fringe-clutchers like a siren-song. My sympathy goes to any participants who simply want to make a calm social and/or political statement; it isn't their fault they have to share the experience with chunder-headed exhibitionists and sociopaths. Still, this is the very reason I'll steer wide of these gatherings.

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Old 09-28-02, 08:02 AM   #3
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RobCat2002, I agree. I've said on this forum that the best thing we bikers, especially bike-commuters, can do to improve our lot is display safe, predictable street manners. Work with the traffic. Realize that for the most innocent of reasons a driver just may not be aware of your presence. Acknowledge that the roads are really built for motorized vehicles, silly bike lanes and such notwithstanding.

Critical Massers, in my opinion, are out for something far different than bikers' rights.
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Biker priveleges, perhaps?
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Front page news on Yahoo! ...

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Critical Massers, in my opinion, are out for something far different than bikers' rights.
I would not take the right of people to express their views lightly.

I always admire the courage of those critical mass participants. People stand up for what they want.

Those naked riders could be saboteurs, whose aim is to discredit the movement among main stream public.

It works on you, does not it?

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Old 11-03-02, 04:49 PM   #8
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[1] I would not take the right of people to express their views lightly.
[2] I always admire the courage of those critical mass participants. People stand up for what they want.
[3] Those naked riders could be saboteurs, whose aim is to discredit the movement among main stream public.
[4] It work on you, does not it?
On [1], never have. Do you claim I have? Then I suggest you not take lightly my right to express views counter to others.

On [2], I teach my kids to stand up for what they believe in. I find it hard to believe, however, that many/most CMers are serious. If they were I'd see them biking a whole lot more, rather than marching on bikes once a month or so.

On [3], discredit CM? You've got to be kidding. CM is a self-discrediting venture.

On [4], no, actually it didn't. If you read through the posts, you'd see that my argument is that CM is an excuse for many to act unlawfully, which will always draw a crowd. Public indecency is a crime. Why would CM sponsors permit them to continue marching on bikes if the CM movement is so worried about saboteurs, as you suggest?
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Maybe they just wanted to have some fun. I think Critical Mass is mainly about cyclists rights, but it's also about having fun while doing so.

Riding naked is great! OK...I was wearing a helmet and shoes. Does that still count?
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Why would CM sponsors permit them to continue marching on bikes if the CM movement is so worried about saboteurs, as you suggest?
No one sponsors Critical Mass. There are no leaders.
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No one sponsors Critical Mass. There are no leaders.
Yeah, whatever.

Just leave us law-abiding, consistent, safe, traffic-friendly bike-commuters out of it when you CMers claim bikers' rights.

Yeah, whatever.
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No one sponsors Critical Mass. There are no leaders.
That is perhaps the biggest problem. If it actually had some leaders, maybe it would cause fewer disruptions and not be the farcical event it has become.
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Old 11-03-02, 10:00 PM   #13
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Oh, c'mon. CM has leaders. They only try to act as though they're not leaders so as to preserve an air of ... what? ... popularlism?

If the CM organizers were serious about restricting unbridled lawlessness, they could have and would have done so long ago. Rather, they choose to hide behind a facade of popularism so as to avoid responsible for and the consequences of CM lawlessness.
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ALl I know is that I tend to avoid any of those mass events where people dress up like clowns and paint their faces and wear silly hats or balloons on their helmets. I am sure it's fun but it tends to attract lots of losers.
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What do naked riders and CM have in common?

While I try to ride nekkid at every opportunity, I have found that it is always more fun to ride nekkid with friends...


...lots of friends...



...especially BOYfriends.
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[B]...you not take lightly my right to express views counter to others.[B]
This your right is sincerely respected by me.

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...the consequences of CM lawlessness.
What about higher laws?

The cities were invented about 3000 years ago. Ancient Greek cities had the distinct streets.

These streets were not designed for mass automotive traffic, which is present for no more than 20 - 30 years.

In many cities people are trying to build high protective fences from the motorways. They try to fend off the toxic exhaust gases and noise by this.

These barriers will not help much against gases. Besides these fences are just plain ugly.

It seems to me is that the Critical Mass is an attempt to reclaim the cities back. To make them liveable again.

When there is a large group of people, one may be sure that there will be eccentric, mentally ill, etc. individuals among them. This is just the way people are.

But looking at the photo in this thread, I see only nice cyclists. A girl in the lower right corner is very handsome, by the way.
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Thousands of bicyclists crammed San Francisco's streets late Friday night, blocking rush hour traffic as they celebrated the 10th anniversary of Critical Mass, a movement to make city streets safer for bicyclists.

This event is played out everyday by motorists who block rush hour traffic as they struggle to get home.
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Thousands of bicyclists crammed San Francisco's streets late Friday night, blocking rush hour traffic as they celebrated the 10th anniversary of Critical Mass, a movement to make city streets safer for bicyclists.

This event is played out everyday by motorists who block rush hour traffic as they struggle to get home.
Pete, we all know that the media will cover the "bad things" cyclists do and turn a blind-eye to what motorists do. Fact is, we have to live with it. I really don't see how "motorists do it" is a defence for critical mass.

My opposition to critical mass does not in any way relate to it's effect on motorists or what motorists do. It arises because CM is an action that does us cyclists more harm than good.
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"Participants in San Francisco include financial district workers, bike messengers, costumed riders and, often, naked riders."

I knew there was something I was missing. Where do I sign up?

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AD>> No one sponsors Critical Mass. There are no leaders.
AD> Yeah, whatever.

=v= Same back atcha.

AD> They only try to act as though they're not leaders so as to preseve an air of ... what? ... popularlism?

=v= No, it's entirely true that nobody leads CM, just as nobody leads traffic. There are those who've tried to lead it, but they've always failed.

PC> I knew there was something I was missing. Where do I sign up?

=v= You don't sign up, you show up. :^) Check out this website:

http://www.critical-mass.org/

There's a ride in Atlanta and over 300 other places.
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I am fascinated with this website. It is like Don Quixote's exploits.

There is no critical mass in the city where I live. But I will see what can be done.
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I am fascinated with this website. It is like Don Quixote's exploits.

There is no critical mass in the city where I live. But I will see what can be done.
But I will see what can be done. Careful, that'd make you a leader.
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Careful, that'd make you a leader.
Andy, during the dictatorship years people have learned hard way to be organized without having any organization, or leaders for that matter.

Everything is done by small talk and parallel intensive work of grey cells trying to stay on the frequency of what is going on.

It is the only way to get things done somehow, when everything is under total control of the secret police.
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