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    Carmakers widen seats for wider ... seats

    Doesn't this just about say it all... So now the non exercising public is getting ever larger in their steel cages that transport them from one fast foot joint to another with sooo little effort...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...sforwiderseats

    As Americans grow heftier, automakers are making seats wider, adding more space to interiors and using bigger virtual mannequins to help design vehicles.

    Domestic automakers say they already had seats for increasingly rotund motorists. Now foreign brands are catching up.

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    Not suprising. It does not seem in the best interests of car markers for americans to exercise. However, this may be a fallacy since longer living consumers = more consumption over the long term.
    Our 03 camry has fairly wide seats. Doesn't do me any good. For one thing I am more narrow and another is that I rarely drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    Doesn't this just about say it all... So now the non exercising public is getting ever larger in their steel cages that transport them from one fast foot joint to another with sooo little effort...
    No. What does it say about bicyling advocacy? Endless ranting and scolding about the public and their cages may say something about the smugness of the offending pedant, but little else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    No. What does it say about bicyling advocacy? Endless ranting and scolding about the public and their cages may say something about the smugness of the offending pedant, but little else.
    How about the health care costs that the general public will have to absorb for all these fat Americans... how about the sick days that overweight Americans will cost the economy, how about the general trend to widen vehicles to carry fat Americans and the impact that wide vehicles make on the lack of ability to share the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    How about the health care costs that the general public will have to absorb for all these fat Americans... how about the sick days that overweight Americans will cost the economy, how about the general trend to widen vehicles to carry fat Americans and the impact that wide vehicles make on the lack of ability to share the road?
    Is ranting like a Scolding Health Nanny at the public, or at other bicyclists considered good for bicycling advocacy? I don't think so.

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    genec is ranting? I'd say it was more of an interesting observation than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DataJunkie
    I'd say it was more of an interesting observation than anything else.
    I have to agree. ILTB, you might have been coming down a little hard on genec. He reported an interesting article and commented with terms that are common parlance around here.

    *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by DataJunkie
    genec is ranting? I'd say it was more of an interesting observation than anything else.
    What you call "observations" about "fat Americans" and their "cages," I'd call gratuitous spouting of generalizations, clichés and stereotypes about the "public". Relevance to bicycling safety or bicycling advocacy - less than none.

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    My least favorite automotive innovation isn't from the carmakers but from the food industry. Now that every car has seventeen cupholders all over the place, I've noticed at the supermarket foam cups filled with all sorts of snacky junk that are designed to fit into cupholders. So now not only do you recline passively as you speed through the streets, but you can also shovel chocolate-covered potato snax into your gaping maw the whole time. I don't like to knock anyone's appetites or habits, but I prefer to come by my gut honestly, complimenting my cycling with a steady diet of beer and steak. Driving while eating or eating while driving, well, there's something very "fall of the roman empire" about it(...can't you just see a bloated roman steering his chariot down the via appia with one hand, popping deviled lark's eggs or something into his mouth with the other?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim
    I have to agree. ILTB, you might have been coming down a little hard on genec. He reported an interesting article and commented with terms that are common parlance around here.
    I don't think so. Please inform me of the point of posting the slam on the American public and its relationship to bicycling advocacy.

    I agree that such terms (clichés and generalizations about those who don't meet the poster's "approved" profile) are bandied about freely by smug advocates who have a sense of moral superiority over the rest of the low-life public in their cages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laika
    So now not only do you recline passively as you speed through the streets, but you can also shovel chocolate-covered potato snax into your gaping maw the whole time. I don't like to knock anyone's appetites or habits, but...can't you just see a bloated roman steering his chariot down the via appia with one hand, popping deviled lark's eggs or something into his mouth with the other?)
    Who is/are "you"? And Laika doesn't like to knock anyone's appetites or habits? I could have sworn that that's exactly what Laika is doing to all of the "You"s out there.

    Relevance to bicycling advocacy/safety - less than none.

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    Take a chilly pilly Willie. Using bicycles and the benefits of the exercise derived from using them is good for bicycle advocacy. Pointing out the alternative, what the sedentary American lifestyle - epitomized by the automobile - is, I think, good bicycle advocacy. You are not so obtuse, are you, that you can't see the connection between one form of transportation, the car, where they need bigger seats, and ours, the bike, where a higher level of fitness is often the result? Is pointing out the higher cancer rates of smokers good for non-smoking campaigns? And evidence that cagers are growing gigantic, thundering a$$es that can't even fit in their grotesque parody of a car as they flip us off on their way to the mall to get their smoothies.... Oh. Am I betraying an agenda of some kind here?
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars
    And evidence that cagers are growing gigantic, thundering a$$es that can't even fit in their grotesque parody of a car as they flip us off on their way to the mall to get their smoothies.... Oh. Am I betraying an agenda of some kind here?
    Nope, just how clueless you may be about selling bicycling to the public; rather than grandstanding to a handful of smug and pompous cycling enthusiasts comfortable with their sense of moral superiority over the "cagers".

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    i think laika makes a good point though. as the article indicates - more people spend more time in their cars. to help make them more comfortable during these long commutes, they've designed cars not only to support their heavier girth, but also to allow for some dangerous trends. these dangerous trends include the numerious cup holders, cell phone holders, built in coolers for food, etc. also, GPS systems, sattelite radios, DVD players, and the like add more distraction to an all ready distracted american driver. i think that has a lot to do with safety for us on the roads. i think the trend toward total comfort in an automobile is somewhat bad for pedestrians and cyclists.
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    Next, they will be putting in those machines that give your heart a jolt when it stops.

    Do you remember the car that Homer Simpson designed. He wanted more horns. So there were horn buttons all over the cockpit.
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Nope, just how clueless you may be about selling bicycling to the public; rather than grandstanding to a handful of smug and pompous cycling enthusiasts comfortable with their sense of moral superiority over the "cagers".
    You didn't define pompous.

    Well, I think that the health choices of the majority of this country are frightening. I think a lot of things about this country are frightening. I have consciously made decisions to not go down some of those paths myself. Sometimes, those choices are hard. Do I feel morally superior as a result of these choices? Hmmm, in some ways I guess I do. In other ways, I don't. So what? If one choice results in greater levels of fitness, reduced ecological impact, and less dependence on the geopolitics of oil and agression, I think that is the right choice and I am glad I made it. If the other results in a mondo, bongo, swaying, braying, pendulous, dimpled, pimpled, lard filled appendage so gigantic that it can't fit in the seat of a minivan, well, I am glad that I didn't choose that path.
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Please inform me of the point of posting the slam on the American public and its relationship to bicycling advocacy.
    Are you trying to take over where EURO left off? I don't see the big deal here. The terms the OP used are terms that are bandied about all over this site -- in A&S, in Road Cycling, in Commuting, and probably others that I don't read regularly. This site doesn't exist to sell bicycling to non-cyclists, nor does it exist to advocate cycling to the non-cycling members of the American public; it exists to give cyclists a place to come and discuss cycling and cycling-related topics. Having just been hit by a very large SUV the news that car makers are widening seats, which will wind up with wider cars, is news that I am interested in. From the read of it several others are interested as well.

    You know that "public" and "cagers" are just short-hand terms used around here (and especially in the OP's post) to indicate "the non-cycling members of the American public" and "people who drive their cars exclusively". It's certainly easier to type "public" and "cagers" than "the non-cycling members of the American public" and "people who drive their cars exclusively", that's for sure. I just don't understand why you decided to go off on the OP for his use of them.

    Again, *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim
    I just don't understand why you decided to go off on the OP for his use of them.

    Again, *shrug*
    He goes off on everybody. Especially now that Helmet Head is on vacation he's gotta reach pretty far.
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    I'm thinking he is looking for a fight where there is none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Who is/are "you"? And Laika doesn't like to knock anyone's appetites or habits? I could have sworn that that's exactly what Laika is doing to all of the "You"s out there.

    Relevance to bicycling advocacy/safety - less than none.
    What a jerk you seem to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars
    You didn't define pompous.
    I beg to differ. He seems to define pompous perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim
    I don't see the big deal here. The terms the OP used are terms that are bandied about all over this site -- in A&S, in Road Cycling, in Commuting, and probably others that I don't read regularly. This site doesn't exist to sell bicycling to non-cyclists, nor does it exist to advocate cycling to the non-cycling members of the American public; it exists to give cyclists a place to come and discuss cycling and cycling-related topics. Having just been hit by a very large SUV the news that car makers are widening seats, which will wind up with wider cars, is news that I am interested in. From the read of it several others are interested as well.

    You know that "public" and "cagers" are just short-hand terms used around here (and especially in the OP's post) to indicate "the non-cycling members of the American public" and "people who drive their cars exclusively". It's certainly easier to type "public" and "cagers" than "the non-cycling members of the American public" and "people who drive their cars exclusively", that's for sure. I just don't understand why you decided to go off on the OP for his use of them.

    Again, *shrug*
    Its obvious you and the rest of the pedantic ranters (about the foibles of theCager Public) "around here" don't consider advocacy as anything more than maintaining a support group for a little club of cycling lifestyle/counter culture types; Romantic Cultural Outlaws who think it's them against the Cager World. "Advocates" who find it appropriate (and presumably effective) to bad mouth everybody in the American public who doesn't fit into their designated square hole profile of what all cyclists and the public should look like, think like and do like.

    I'll offer a Season's Greetings to all self righteous cycling advocates and raise a toast of a healthy soy milk shakes over a bowl of healthy bicycling enthusiast/PC approved gruel. And anyone who doesn't want to share must be a tool of the Cager Beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    "Advocates" who find it appropriate (and presumably effective) to bad mouth everybody in the American public who doesn't fit into their designated square hole profile of what all cyclists and the public should look like, think like and do like.
    And what exactly are YOU doing right here besides: "bad mouthing everybody who doesn't fit into YOUR designated square hole profile... "

    Hmmm, me thinks the pot is calling the kettle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    And what exactly are YOU doing right here besides: "bad mouthing everybody who doesn't fit into YOUR designated square hole profile... "

    Hmmm, me thinks the pot is calling the kettle.
    I'm not the OP of this rant against the public. My recommendation is that the food fetishist/cycling narcissists and anti-cager ranters take their conceited rhetoric to FOO or a religion forum since it has nothing to do with advocating for Bicycling or Bicyclists

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