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  • vehicular cycling

    10 21.74%
  • integrated cycling

    2 4.35%
  • integrated traffic cycling

    3 6.52%
  • cooperative cycling

    0 0%
  • bicycle driving

    8 17.39%
  • effective cycling

    3 6.52%
  • rules of the road cycling

    4 8.70%
  • vehicular rules of the road cycling

    1 2.17%
  • dancing with cars

    7 15.22%
  • Other (please specify)

    8 17.39%
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    It has been suggested that "vehicular cycling" is a poor term for meaning "Cycling on roads in accordance with the universal/common rules of the road for drivers of vehicles" because the intended meaning of the term "vehicular" in this context is significantly different from common usage, which has nothing to do with following rules and everything to do with, well, vehicles. It makes people think vehicular cycling is cycling while "acting like a car" and wondering if using a bike lane is consistent with vehicular cycling.

    So, what would be a better term to mean, "Cycling on roads in accordance with the universal/common rules of the road for drivers of vehicles recognized in every significant city and most jurisdictions throughout the world"?
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    Lawful, defensively assertive cycling?

    Strategic cycling?

    Dare I say, "Effective Cycling?"
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    Lawful cycling is good; dancing with cars is what it feels like...

    I would suggest not using "effective cycling" as the association with "no bike lanes" is pretty strong, as well as some other rather dated concepts such as "no mirrors."

    Co-operative cycling is also very good.

    I believe however anything that gets away from the term "vehicular" will help.

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    two of the pesky conundrums are the bike lanes and the shoulders of the roadways.

    How these affect my cycling's (alternate to vehicular) locomotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    It makes people think vehicular cycling is cycling while "acting like a car" and wondering if using a bike lane is consistent with vehicular cycling.
    Who, besides a few pedantic counters of pin dancing angels, is wondering about what is/is not "consistent with vehicular cycling"? Or even cares?

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    Living Dangerously.

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    Forester cycling. That is, afterall, what you mean.
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    Other - I'd rather just ride than obsess over rebranding a term designed to neatly categorize people into little boxes for political reasons. Cycling is cycling, branding is for politicians and salesmen.
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    Surprisingly I like this poll, and I think it moderately comprehensive. I like "rules of the road cycling", over the other options, because:

    - it is free of emotionally loaded terms (e.g. integrated vs. segregated)
    - is is free of politically loaded terms (effective cycling, vehicular cycling, I-kiss-Forester's-Ass cycling)
    - it can be very generic (general rules of the road)
    - it can be very specific (ROTR in any given location)

    Now all that being said, I would not condone the use of this term to mask the VCer agenda! Forester drones, please be honest and stick to your VCness. If I have to pick a good term for cycling on roads while following traffic laws, however, ROTR cycling works for me. (Although "Dancing with cars" has something to be said for it!)

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    I'm split between "other", as in dodging car shaped, barely guided missiles piloted by jackasses, and "dancing with cars", as in I don't call my homewrenched commute beater "Streetdancer" for nothing.

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    back in the old days we use to call it "cycling". most us got from point A to B effectively without any help from self appointed experts.

    Got a problem with bike facilties or a road with potholes ? A 5 min letter to state/local politicians or transportation depts can bring surprising results.
    It took only 6 letters from ordinary people to a town board here a couple of years ago to get 30" shoulders added to a repaving project on a busy suburban road. Now the road is much more enjoyable to ride, auto traffic flow is improved so motorists are not pulling crazy azz stunts to pass and cyclists use of that road has increased.

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    I voted for bicycle driving. Merriam-Webster defines drive as to impart a forward motion to by physical force. I drive a car. I drive my motorcycle. Ergo, I drive my bike. Psychologically and subconsciously, other drivers on the road would associate bicyclists as another group of "drivers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by velonomad
    back in the old days we use to call it "cycling". most us got from point A to B effectively without any help from self appointed experts.

    Got a problem with bike facilties or a road with potholes ? A 5 min letter to state/local politicians or transportation depts can bring surprising results.
    It took only 6 letters from ordinary people to a town board here a couple of years ago to get 30" shoulders added to a repaving project on a busy suburban road. Now the road is much more enjoyable to ride, auto traffic flow is improved so motorists are not pulling crazy azz stunts to pass and cyclists use of that road has increased.
    I'm glad you had a successful effort with advocacy and you were able to get from A to B.

    Never-the-less, I believe cyclists can significantly improve their odds of not dying from a crash by following the rules of the road, and being part of same direction, rather than disobeying the rules, and/or traveling separately from same-direction traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    I'm glad you had a successful effort with advocacy and you were able to get from A to B.

    Never-the-less, I believe cyclists can significantly improve their odds of not dying from a crash by following the rules of the road, and being part of same direction, rather than disobeying the rules, and/or traveling separately from same-direction traffic.
    No disagreement for the most part. You are free to advocate for what you beleave in as am I. I only disagree with the idea of always occuping the travel lane. For me I am content to let motorists pass me relatively unimpeded if there is enough asphalt available. I look at it the same as when I open the door for someone. I don't legally have to hold the door for them I am being courteous. The farmer up the road from me pulls his tractor and wagon over onto the shoulder to let faster traffic pass, he doesn't legally have to but he does it out of courteousy. Tractor trailers will often do the same on steep uphills. Other road users have places to go just the same as I, My day is not improved nor is my margin of safety increased by having a line of impatient motorists stuck behind me in rush hour trying to pass when I can share enough road to let them by. Adhering to the letter of the law does not have to preclude someone from being considerate of others

    I ride frequently in a very busy suburban area with 4 and 6 lane roads and many more busy narrow two lane roads, Where and when conditions permit I ride about a foot to the right of the white line . That keeps me close enough to the traffic to be in thier field of vision and part of the traffic flow but allows them to pass with a safe margin. When I need to take the travel lane such as when crossing busy interections or approaching RTO lanes I clearly signal my intentions and the vast majority of motorists will yield the lane without complaint. Sharing the road goes both ways.

    My issue with this VC philosophy in the context that often I see presented here in these forums and from 2 VC advocates I know personally is that it conveys a negative attitude toward motorists in general and at other times toward anyone who is not in agreement with this VC philosophy. I think it encourages some people to ride with a confrontational attitude and in a manner that creates a negative interaction with stressed out humans driving 3500 lb vehicles.

    The problem is not VC 's name it is the attitude

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac
    I voted for bicycle driving. Merriam-Webster defines drive as to impart a forward motion to by physical force. I drive a car. I drive my motorcycle. Ergo, I drive my bike. Psychologically and subconsciously, other drivers on the road would associate bicyclists as another group of "drivers."
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by John E
    Lawful, defensively assertive cycling?

    Strategic cycling?

    Dare I say, "Effective Cycling?"
    You can say it. but why am I the only one who voted for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by budster
    +1

    My bicycle is a vehicle, and I'm the motor. Hey -- watch it buddy! I'm driving here!
    You go, man.

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    Rules of the road cycling sounds good to me.
    I wish I could chose cooperative cycling because actually that term has been stuck in my head for awhile now. The problem is that despite my willingness to cooperate and despite the willingness of some drivers, there are still too many drivers that see cyclists more as hurdles on the road that should be dodged than as people that have as much right to the road as they do.


    On a side note, I have a somewhat stupid question to ask (and I'm too lazy to plow through all the VC threads here ) - would any of these terms/options on the poll imply a separate set of road rules for cyclists, or some separate rules - some common rules with motor vehicles?

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    My first two choices:
    • rules of the road cycling
    • cooperative traffic cycling


    'Vehicular cycling', is a misnomer. Rules of the road cycling is an accurate descriptive alternative.

    Many consider 'vehicular cycling' to be a brand name. 'Rules of the road cycling' is the generic alternative.

    The term 'vehicular cycling' is damaged goods for other reasons. too. One big problem is the association of 'vehicular cycling' with a political agenda to which many cyclists are opposed, and its association with some highly questionable social theories of John Forester.

    As if that weren't enough, there's a simple semantic problem with using the word 'vehicular' by itself to mean 'according to the vehicular rules of the road'. The problem is, that's not what 'vehicular' means in plain English. In some cases it actually clashes with the plain English language meaning of 'vehicular'. It simply doesn't work. And it's neither a legal definition nor a widely accepted special meaning, either.

    The term 'bicycle driving' is interesting and it doesn't have the baggage that 'vehicular cycling' carries but 'bicycle driving' does not seem entirely appropriate and I suspect that many people would find it amusing. I also detect a clear political agenda behind the coining and use of the term 'bicycle driving'.

    Thirty years or so ago I called riding according to the vehicular rules of the road 'traffic cycling'.

    'Integrated traffic cycling' is too political. It would not be bad if VC propagandists had not made 'segregation!' the battle cry in their political campaign against facilities.
    'Cooperative traffic cycling' would be better.
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    I voted for "dancing with cars," I'm inclined to like 'integrated bicycling' because it would be more memorable and implies assimilation into cager culture...which is what riding in traffic really is, isn't it?

    There's going to be no equality on the roadways until people are made to pedal their cars to work. A catch phrase like 'integration' helped fifty years ago to spur corrections in a much greater social injustice than what bicyclists face today.

    I think integrated cycling would make sense to the driving public, and the bicyclists, and be the phrase most widely acceptable and true to the vision of vehicular parity for bicyclists.

    Of course, Helmet Head left off my favorite term for traffic cycling -

    "Riding Frogger"

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    I voted for "bicycle driving" because:

    1. "vc" is confusing to bikers
    2. vehicular cycling to drivers sounds like too much trouble to understand. Most don't want to play the lawyer game.
    3. VC is emotionally charged
    4. label is short
    5. label is clearly understood. Driving a bicycle like a car.

    "Bicycle Driving" may not be perfect but it's a lot better than other suggested terms.
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    Just keep calling it VC. I don't think anyone outside of these forums cares, nor that many inside of the forum for that matter. I'm an urban cyclist and in my opinion that's enough, I'm defined by my actions and not some psuedo-technical label. If I were to correct a non-cyclist and tell them that, "I am a vehicular Cyclist." They would think, "No, you're an a-hole."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiYoSilver
    I voted for "bicycle driving" because:

    1. "vc" is confusing to bikers
    2. vehicular cycling to drivers sounds like too much trouble to understand. Most don't want to play the lawyer game.
    3. VC is emotionally charged
    4. label is short
    5. label is clearly understood. Driving a bicycle like a car.

    "Bicycle Driving" may not be perfect but it's a lot better than other suggested terms.
    I agree with all of this except for "Driving a bicycle like a car."

    A car is a car. A bicycle is a bicycle. Each has innate advantages, disadvantages and idiosyncrasies. I drive my bicycle like a bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treespeed
    Just keep calling it VC. I don't think anyone outside of these forums cares, nor that many inside of the forum for that matter. I'm an urban cyclist and in my opinion that's enough, I'm defined by my actions and not some psuedo-technical label. If I were to correct a non-cyclist and tell them that, "I am a vehicular Cyclist." They would think, "No, you're an a-hole."
    Exactly!

    Either an "a-hole" or (if for some strange reason was familiar with BF and this discussion) "a pedantic jack donkey."

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    "Dancing with cars" because it's about as ridiculous as this poll (and topic, oh my!)

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