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    All this forum talk about 'vehicular this' and 'vehicle that' got thinking about my lane choices today, and I took some pictures this afternoon because I'm not sure if this is considered vehicular biking, or if this is non-vehicular, or even 'velopedestrian?'

    Pictures all taken in motion along Green Lake, in Seattle, Washington during an actual bicycling scenario today. I recently bought a new digital camera that's totallly waterproof, it was liberating to take pictures in the rain and not have to worry about the camera!


    So, with all my lane choices in the photos, at any time would this be considered 'nonvehicular' or operating my bike like a 'rolling,' or 'velopedestrian?'

    Is riding this far to the right still following some spirit and letter of the bike's inherent, practical and actual legal 'vehicularity' and not chapping anyones' britches being described as vehicular?
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    Your lane choices look sane and sensible to me. I'd say you are vehicular: you appear to be following the rules of the road.
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    Were you violating any rules for vehicles when you rode in those locations? If not, then you were riding vehicularly, as I understand the definition. Beyond that, I consider that it's a matter of personal choice whether to ride in the bike lane or not.

    If I ever see a 12 foot wide bike lane, I'll ride in it too.


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    I can't see any logical reason to be outside of those bike lanes. I'm sure someone will post some hypothetical danger, but to me, being outside of the lanes would be unsafe and rude. Where is the second photo, Green Lake?
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    yeah those bike lanes seem generally ok to me... there doesn't appear to be any debris/road crap in them... I noticed they turn into parking/bike lanes further ahead in one picture, if it's a really well-designed bike lane there will be room to stay in the lane but out of the door zone, hopefully that's the case
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    It's the law in Oklahoma that if there is a designated bicycle lane, then bicyclists must use it. Otherwise, they are free, and expected to, use the right lane and ride to the center right of that lane. They are also to use any designated turning lanes for turning as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    Your lane choices look sane and sensible to me. I'd say you are vehicular: you appear to be following the rules of the road.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by koine2002
    It's the law in Oklahoma that if there is a designated bicycle lane, then bicyclists must use it. Otherwise, they are free, and expected to, use the right lane and ride to the center right of that lane. They are also to use any designated turning lanes for turning as well.
    Can you find a reference for the underlying OK laws for this online? I can't, but I did find this in the OK driver's license manual (p. 72):


    "Bicycle riders are required to ride as far right in the lane as possible only when the lane can be safely shared by a car and a bicycle, side by side. Even then, there are certain times when a bicycle can take the full lane.

    A bicyclist can ride in the full lane when:
    The rider is overtaking and passing another vehicle going in the same direction.
    The bicyclist is getting in place for a left turn at an inter-
    section or turning left into a private road or driveway.
    There are unsafe conditions in the roadway, such as parked cars, moving vehicles or machinery, fixed obstacles, pedestrians, animals, potholes, debris.
    The lane is too narrow for both a car and a bicycle to
    safely share the lane. In this case, it is safest to let the bicycle take the
    full lane.
    If you see this flag on a bicycle, slow down; the bicycle rider
    may have impaired hearing.
    All bicyclists must ride in the correct lane of traffic.


    http://www.dps.state.ok.us/dls/pub/ODM9-05.pdf

    If OK is like CA, then the driver's manual abbreviates all of the exceptions to the "keep to the side" and "stay in the bike lane" laws, which is why I want to read the actual law.

    But in any case, it's clear that the OK law is not simply, "use the right lane and ride to the center right of that lane". There are no references to bike lanes in the entire OK driver's manual.

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