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    I mean whenever I read the threads in the safety forum and a cyclist is almost killed by a driver, most people say, don't worry , just get his licence number and call the police, no need to get into a confrontation.

    Or also when someone is trying to steal your bike, people say call the police and report it. I say **** that approach, if a automobile driver does something stupid like trying to kill me with his/her car, I will do whatever I need to do to defend myself, if that means pepper spray , than that is OK with me. If I catch someone trying to steal my bike, I will introduce his face to the pavement, then I will call the cops. I have worked hard to save for my bike, it isn't some $2,000 bike, but I saved my own money and I spent a lot on upgrades, why should I let some lowlife just take it from me?

    motorists take advantage of cyclists because they know the cyclist won't do anything. If cyclists stood up for themselves and stopped acting like wimps, automobile drivers wpould give us the respect we deserve, once they see we won't be intimidated by them, they will show us respect.
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    If someone is coming at you with a club, by all means, defend yourself with force. But if someone stupidly cut you off or is hacksawing your seat stays, what possible good does it add to the situation that you beat each other up? You don't know if he's armed, or an off duty karate instructor, and losing a tooth or wearing a cast for 6 months for the sake of demonstrating your machismo is hardly a worthwhile deal.

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    I legally carry 2 feet of thick chain. Somebody stealing my T.R would be in a bad way when the man arrived.
    Idiot stole a seat I gave my roomie for her bike -really noticable red\black\yellow Velo.

    What a fool, there is maybe 2 of them in the whole city, mines marked underside.
    If 'buddy' ups it without a fuss...his nose won't be broken with my elbow.
    Real.

    I also know by sight -the bike methief in town.
    My bike goes missing -he will as well 'till I get my ride back.

    My non-suspension crap mtb has had grand$ tossed at it, my dna is all over that thing.
    Bloody mess, -buddy boosts my bike -his dna will be on it as well.

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    [QUOTE=cooker]You don't know if he's armed, or an off duty karate instructor.QUOTE]

    1st point, yes, -second, doubt it.
    If you see a ripoff-in progress and are worried about the physical, stand on the other side of the street and phone the cops.

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    i'm generally not afraid of the person in the car. i'm afraid that they might be carrying one of these:

    [IMG]http://www.***-shi.co.jp/***/2005/2005-03/KSCG19.jpg[/IMG]

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    Are you telling me that if someone has a saw to your bike then you walk away and call the police...wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvabiker
    Are you telling me that if someone has a saw to your bike then you walk away and call the police...wow.
    Well after you take a picture with your cell phone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Cyclist
    ... if a automobile driver does something stupid like trying to kill me with his/her car, I will do whatever I need to do to defend myself, if that means pepper spray , than that is OK with me.
    Do you spray it into the vent intake or wait until you have busted through the windshield so you can get a direct spray into the motorists face?

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    I generally agree with crazy cyclist. But, if cycling advocacy made demands as a part of transportation planning and policy development , before the appropriate agencies- making news in the media.
    - motorist might be more informed of our demands.
    Yes, demands is an appropriate word. As they say- use it or loose it.
    Better to make demands in advance on behalf of our legal rights rather than memorial rides for our fallen.
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    Oh great here comes all the chest thumping posts,
    because escalation always makes these little interactions resolve in our favor.
    Non semper erit aestas.

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    True tale, my friend Josh had some sick Italian road frame -had it sent overseas to the factory for re-paint (some gay rainbow fade-job) one of a kind in town.....and the frame was stolen!
    (Can't remember if it was from his apt or a shop during a build..)

    One day, months later out cycling, his frame blows past other direction.
    The chase was on, caught the guy at a light, dropped his bike and confronted....

    Made him give up his wallet and give his address.
    Told the guy he had 2 hours to strip the parts off the frame and give it back or the cops would be involved and he would be punched out and stomped next time they crossed paths.
    (Josh is very big man)
    He visited buddy a few hours later with a few friends (backup) and took possession of his frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvabiker
    Are you telling me that if someone has a saw to your bike then you walk away and call the police...wow.
    I'd yell "Hey, that's my bike, get the Hell away from it", but I would not throw him down and beat the crap out of him, even if I felt confident I could take him. By the way...how do you feel about the spectator who intervened here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Cyclist
    I will do whatever I need to do to defend myself, if that means pepper spray , than that is OK with me. If I catch someone trying to steal my bike, I will introduce his face to the pavement, then I will call the cops. I have worked hard to save for my bike, it isn't some $2,000 bike, but I saved my own money and I spent a lot on upgrades, why should I let some lowlife just take it from me?

    motorists take advantage of cyclists because they know the cyclist won't do anything. If cyclists stood up for themselves and stopped acting like wimps, automobile drivers wpould give us the respect we deserve, once they see we won't be intimidated by them, they will show us respect.
    Your life is worth more than stuff. If you insist on getting in altercations with meth addicts and felons, it is only a matter of time before you get unlucky and suffer a serious injury or worse.

    The idea that cyclists can intimidate motorists with force is laughable. You may be able to scare off a few people by acting like a psycho, but you will lose in any real conflict. If you shatter someone's windshield with a chain, you're likely to get hit with the vehicle. You'll be dead or seriously injuried, and most people will sympathize with the driver.

    If you make it clear to motorists that you have a big chip on your shoulder, you'll have a heck of a time getting them to respect you. Cyclists who try to intimidate motorists remind me of the yappy dogs that lunge at me while I'm walking my sweetie -- she could finish off one of those noisemakers in one bite. My dog knows the yappers are harmless so she ignores them, but if one of them ever encounters a grouchy Rot, they're history.

    Acting stronger than you are won't get you respect -- you have better luck if you just ride assertively but be considerate of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker
    I'd yell "Hey, that's my bike, get the Hell away from it", but I would not throw him down and beat the crap out of him, even if I felt confident I could take him. By the way...how do you feel about the spectator who intervened here?
    I'm not sure what I'd do.....lets leave it @ that.

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    This ones funny, so I'm riding street, driver behind me starts honking, I run to the shoulder ...he doesn't pass, honks again!
    We roll to a light, I drop the bike and walk up to the car..
    "What the ____ is your problem?"

    Driver leans over the passenger and says "Just wondering if Rick is gonna play bass this week at the show?"

    "Oh....ya. See you there."
    Felt like a total heel that time.

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    Not all of us are comfortable with committing battery against someone else. I'll defend my person, either with words or evasive actions, but I won't fight with someone, certainly not over traffic offenses or stolen property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    Not all of us are comfortable with committing battery against someone else. I'll defend my person, either with words or evasive actions, but I won't fight with someone, certainly not over traffic offenses or stolen property.
    It's a guy thing -tough talk B.S.

    Strange..I wouldn't give a flip if someone stole my car.
    My fave bike is totally different, it's irreplaceable and I identify with it.
    Like a horse or something living.
    I love the stupid thing, it sleeps in my bedroom at night.

    I need to see a mental health professional....bikes don't sleep.

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    I am quite a pasivist, but it does't mean that I dont row away from the rocks. When I anticipate trouble, I try to (mentally) find my ulock , chain or 2 by 4 on the ground. I'd only fight if I had to.

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    I am a black belt rank in Aikido, and hold a Texas Concealed ******* License, and own and carry guns on my person. I hope what I say has some weight.

    My advice is, avoid a physical confrontation at all costs. Let the property go. No bike is worth serious injury, death, or you being put in jail because you injured or maybe even accidentally killed someone, to say nothing of the emotional and spiritual anguish.

    Rule #1 of gunfighting is... AVOID AT ALL COSTS
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    Quote Originally Posted by kf5nd
    I am a black belt rank in Aikido, and hold a Texas Concealed ******* License, and own and carry guns on my person. I hope what I say has some weight.

    My advice is, avoid a physical confrontation at all costs. Let the property go. No bike is worth serious injury, death, or you being put in jail because you injured or maybe even accidentally killed someone, to say nothing of the emotional and spiritual anguish.

    Rule #1 of gunfighting is... AVOID AT ALL COSTS
    +1

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    I am a push over. I don't confront. Unless I saw someone stealing my bike, then I'd be all up in his face like, "excuse me sir, I think you have the wrong bike.".
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    They need a clapping, and thumbsup emotcon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Cyclist
    I mean whenever I read the threads in the safety forum and a cyclist is almost killed by a driver, most people say, don't worry , just get his licence number and call the police, no need to get into a confrontation.

    Or also when someone is trying to steal your bike, people say call the police and report it. I say **** that approach, if a automobile driver does something stupid like trying to kill me with his/her car, I will do whatever I need to do to defend myself, if that means pepper spray , than that is OK with me. If I catch someone trying to steal my bike, I will introduce his face to the pavement, then I will call the cops. I have worked hard to save for my bike, it isn't some $2,000 bike, but I saved my own money and I spent a lot on upgrades, why should I let some lowlife just take it from me?

    motorists take advantage of cyclists because they know the cyclist won't do anything. If cyclists stood up for themselves and stopped acting like wimps, automobile drivers wpould give us the respect we deserve, once they see we won't be intimidated by them, they will show us respect.

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    My take on seeing someone messing with my bike....I will personally deal with them.

    Motorists....dealt with on a case by case....most of them get a finger....some get a nice long talk if I see them later that day in a parking lot. Ones that make verbal threats get apolice visit...those who try something....that's very case by case....if they get out of the car, tehy very well may get lock-whipped silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    i'm generally not afraid of the person in the car. i'm afraid that they might be carrying one of these:

    [IMG]http://www.***-shi.co.jp/***/2005/2005-03/KSCG19.jpg[/IMG]
    man, that's a nice looking ***
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    Quote Originally Posted by supcom
    Do you spray it into the vent intake or wait until you have busted through the windshield so you can get a direct spray into the motorists face?
    I would wai tuntil the windshield is busted, then spray the motorist in the face ( if need be)

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