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Old 02-12-06, 12:05 PM   #1
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Elderly Palm Springs moron

There were 9000 riders in the Tour de Palm Springs on Saturday. Early in the ride we were going down one of the main streets in downtown Palm Springs. The right most lane of 6 lanes was blocked off for the bikers w orange cones every ten feet. There were at least 300 riders every 100 yards so that the right lane was a solid wall of riders trying not to run into each other. There were highway patrolmen at each intersection stopping and starting the bikers as the traffic lights turned red and green. As my portion of the pack approached an intersection w a green light and a highway patrolman waving us on, an elderly moron in a large cadillac who had driven several blocks in the #2 lane right next to the riders, abruptly turned right from his lane into the mass of riders because he had apparently failed to notice the orange cones and the hundreds of riders to his right for the preceeding three blocks. Amazingly, no one was hit because the closest riders saw him slowing down for the turn and were yelling "look out" to each other. He did not appear to react to the bikers until the highway patrolman started yelling at him and waiving his arms to stop.
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Old 02-13-06, 09:51 AM   #2
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He should definately turn in his license before he goes to the fruit market. It probably is that he is blind and cannot turn his fused neck bones enough to drive safely. This is a huge safty risk, living in an area with lots of old folks. No matter if they are walking or driving, they cause many accidents.
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Old 02-13-06, 10:10 AM   #3
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I can almost top that one...

2005 District road race last summer in Montgomery County, 40 + field -

Yellow line rule in effect. Old Lincoln Continental driven by elderly lady going the other way on wide-open flat stretch of road. Lead motorcycle passes car. Officials motorcycles are approaching. Car stops, turns left and proceeds to attempt 3-point U-turn in front of field doing 30+ mph down a slight grade. Car is so big it can't perform the maneuver and stops taking up both lanes. Bikes slam on binders. Moto horns blow. Riders yell. Lady is so freaked out she can't move.
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Old 02-13-06, 10:48 AM   #4
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So I guess this guy will continue to drive because the DMV doesn't care. All the DMV cares about is getting his money for his licence after they get that, they figure the hell with public safety.

The problem is the oldtimer probably doesn't go in to renew his licence. All he has to do is send in a family member to renew it for him and is good to go for a few more years and he is free to wreak havoc on the streets.
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It's examples like these (and, not to pick on the elderly, teenage habitual speeders and street racers) that make it sound like a wise and reasonable idea for bicycle clubs and/or neighborhood associations to steal or disable the cars of people who don't belong on the road. When the state won't act, citizens have to be willing to ignore the law and pick up the slack to protect themselves!
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Old 02-13-06, 11:40 AM   #6
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I had a similar run-in (pun intended) with the elderly. Both times while in my car.

My first encounter was a vehicle coming at me in my lane on a head-on collision course. I had to swerve fully onto the shoulder to avoid a collision. I figured it must've been a drunk driver, because he was also driving very slowly. I turned around, followed at a safe distance, and dialled 911 to report him as a possible drunk driver. As I followed, he maintained his below-the-speed-limit speed, swerving into the on-coming traffic lane several times; I was amazed nobody got hit. Eventually, the driver stopped; I had been relaying his position to the 911 operator, so by then an officer appeared behind us. After talking to the driver, he told me that the driver wasn't drunk; just that he was really, really old.

The second time I wasn't so lucky. I was driving north on a major street in my city in the middle of the afternoon on a bright, clear December day. No snow yet, and the roads were dry. My cars daytime running lights were functioning, and I was driving the speed limit. Ahead, a southbound white Grand Prix made a left turn in front of me, almost causing a collision; I slowed down and tapped the horn. What surprised me was that the old guy in the Saturn behind him made the same left hand turn right in front of me! I was able to bring the car to a full stop, but he had his foot on the gas and actually drove RIGHT INTO ME. Fortunately, nobody got hurt (though the old fart didn't seem to care about that at all), there were witnesses, and he was found 100% at fault.

When I get that old, the only thing I want to be driving is a golf cart.
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Old 02-13-06, 11:52 AM   #7
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It's examples like these (and, not to pick on the elderly, teenage habitual speeders and street racers) that make it sound like a wise and reasonable idea for bicycle clubs and/or neighborhood associations to steal or disable the cars of people who don't belong on the road. When the state won't act, citizens have to be willing to ignore the law and pick up the slack to protect themselves!
OK a bit radical, but yeah, the bottom line is that judges, society and even community members are all quite reluctant to rescind drivers' licenses. A person can be a 3 or more DUI loser and still have a valid driver's license. A person can willfully hit a cyclist and still be a driver. (see SMU law professor) The bottom line is that in this country it is far too easy to get a license, and then keep the privilege of driving, in spite of a bad driving history.

Further, I feel that anyone found guilty of killing a pedestrian or cyclist, by actions of speeding, DWI, failing to yield a right of way, or reckless driving, should also lose their license.
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Old 02-13-06, 11:54 AM   #8
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When I get that old, the only thing I want to be driving is a golf cart.
Three wheeled cycle... yeah, that's the ticket.
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Old 02-13-06, 12:11 PM   #9
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While we're bashing elderly drivers....

At 10 p.m. on Oct. 19, Ralph Parker, 93, in his Chevrolet Malibu, eased up to a tollbooth on Interstate 275 in St. Petersburg, Fla., inattentive to the fact that there was a dead body lodged in his windshield (the result of a collision about three miles away). According to police, Parker was off by about 10 miles when asked where he was and by two months on the date, and he thought the body had just fallen from the sky. Parker's son, 66, said he was aware his father had been deteriorating mentally, yet Parker's driver's license was renewed last year through his age 99, based on Florida's lax renewal policy (toughened for the state's 54,000 age-80-and-up drivers only by a vision test). (By contrast, for example, Florida requires 16 hours' training every two years for its licensed cosmetologists.) [St. Petersburg Times, 10-21-05]

Of course, some day I might be one of those elderly drivers. Assuming one of them doesn't kill me first.
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Old 02-13-06, 12:18 PM   #10
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While we're bashing elderly drivers....

At 10 p.m. on Oct. 19, Ralph Parker, 93, in his Chevrolet Malibu, eased up to a tollbooth on Interstate 275 in St. Petersburg, Fla., inattentive to the fact that there was a dead body lodged in his windshield (the result of a collision about three miles away). According to police, Parker was off by about 10 miles when asked where he was and by two months on the date, and he thought the body had just fallen from the sky. Parker's son, 66, said he was aware his father had been deteriorating mentally, yet Parker's driver's license was renewed last year through his age 99, based on Florida's lax renewal policy (toughened for the state's 54,000 age-80-and-up drivers only by a vision test). (By contrast, for example, Florida requires 16 hours' training every two years for its licensed cosmetologists.) [St. Petersburg Times, 10-21-05]

Of course, some day I might be one of those elderly drivers. Assuming one of them doesn't kill me first.

Well hell, you never know when those licensed cosmetologists are gonna take out a whole market of innocent bystanders with just one bad haircut...
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Old 02-13-06, 09:45 PM   #11
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Would all of you, well in California at least, like to know a way to really fix an elderly driver. There is a catagory of people known as Mandated Reporters. People who MUSDT report someone they see who they consider a driving risk. Doctors in Emergency Wards fall in that group. I had an old friend who fell and was hurt slightly. His wife who had mild Dementia drove him to the hospital. The doctor took one look at her and reported her as an unfit driver. The doc then reported the husband as unfit for having had her drive. The DMV suspended both their liceinces (sp) automatically. They had to mail them in, pending a hearing 3 months later. I had him get a lawyer, take a special seniors drivers Ed class, and discouraged his family from giving up. He got a limited permit back - no freeway driving. She did not get her permit back and rightly so.

Moral? Report them to your DMV as unfit, give all the info possible, with witnesses. Even if they ever get to drive again they will go thru hell. At least in California the DMV cares about keeping the roads safe.
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oh man i show mondo respect for +60 drivers. I mean i dont play around when i one of those grotesque 75 lincoln town cars, especially driven by some senile old b+tch. Many times i have just pulled my bike right over and let them go on ahead. i saw this commuter last year get squared by one of these cadaver driven cadillacs. He was going off the bike path on a green light, downslope at 35kmh+, when this black deathcar does a left turn right into him. I was taking on the transit that day or i would have definately ran over. Another reason why bike paths are dangerous.
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Old 02-16-06, 04:14 PM   #13
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Would all of you, well in California at least, like to know a way to really fix an elderly driver. There is a catagory of people known as Mandated Reporters. People who MUSDT report someone they see who they consider a driving risk. Doctors in Emergency Wards fall in that group. I had an old friend who fell and was hurt slightly. His wife who had mild Dementia drove him to the hospital. The doctor took one look at her and reported her as an unfit driver. The doc then reported the husband as unfit for having had her drive. The DMV suspended both their liceinces (sp) automatically. They had to mail them in, pending a hearing 3 months later. I had him get a lawyer, take a special seniors drivers Ed class, and discouraged his family from giving up. He got a limited permit back - no freeway driving. She did not get her permit back and rightly so.

Moral? Report them to your DMV as unfit, give all the info possible, with witnesses. Even if they ever get to drive again they will go thru hell. At least in California the DMV cares about keeping the roads safe.

Limited permit... no freeway driving... that still means he is a menace to cyclists. Sheesh!
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my father-in-law recently moved back north from Florida and into an assisted living facility. He did this because he was now legally blind. The first piece of mail he received when he moved in was his brand spanking new Florida driver's license with his new Massachusetts address on it! Even he thought it was the stupidest thing in the world. He was so flabbergasted he framed and titled it "Idiots!".
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When they are found to be unfit to drive due to the effects of age, the community should provide them with free bus passes.
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