Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Advocacy & Safety
Reload this Page >

Bicycling in the Age of Terrorism

Search
Notices
Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

Bicycling in the Age of Terrorism

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-19-06, 08:35 PM
  #1  
Commuter
Thread Starter
 
JohnBrooking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 2,568

Bikes: 2006 Giant Cypress EX (7-speed internal hub)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Bicycling in the Age of Terrorism

Here's a little thought I posted on my blog a few months ago. I'd be interested in hearing reaction to it here.

In many respects, bicycles are the ideal mode of transportation for the age of terrorism. They of course lessen our dependence on petroleum, thus lessening the leverage that terrorists have over us when they sabotage the petroleum infrastructure. But because people can ride their bikes wherever and whenever they want, they avoid the problem of mass transit that requires centralized routes and large numbers of people gathering together, which makes it vulnerable to terrorist attacks (as well as being less convenient). In short, bicycles combine energy independence with the security and convenience of decentralization.

The central fact preventing widespread use of bikes for transportation, of course, is our suburban sprawl. Those who live 20 miles from their job cannot (all) be expected to commute even part of the way on their bike every day. Non-farmers who nonetheless live in the country, miles from the nearest grocery store, will not be using bikes for grocery runs. The sprawl factor is perhaps the biggest obstacle to increased use of bikes for transportation, and is much harder to solve than simply adding more cycling infrastructure.

Obviously, neither cars nor mass transit will ever be completely replaced by bikes, even discounting the sprawl factor. There will always be people whose age or health problems will prevent their use of bikes, and there will always be jobs requiring individuals to cover large distances in relatively short periods of time. For these reasons, there certainly needs to be continued research and investment in alternative fuel sources for personal vehicles, as well as increased investment in mass transit technology and infrastructure. (Increased use of various electronic conferencing tools to replace job travel is another alternative.) But to the extent that the bicycle can be promoted, it is a much cheaper and easier alternative than any of the others, and can only improve our society's ability to provide for the transportation needs of its citizens while minimizing our vulnerability to terrorism or any other kind of supply disruption.
JohnBrooking is offline  
Old 02-19-06, 08:49 PM
  #2  
...
 
thelung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: hell
Posts: 749

Bikes: some piece of s h i t

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
"The Age of Terrorism?" You have got to be kidding.
thelung is offline  
Old 02-19-06, 09:22 PM
  #3  
Banned.
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: ny
Posts: 1,764
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'll go along with much of what you said but you missed the obvious role that the bicycle can play with mass transit. I would like to see bicycle friendly routes and paths that feed the rapid transit systems. Many buses already have bicycle racks, many rapid transit trains allow bicycles. Washington DC and NY have this to some extent except that on some systems bicycles are not allowed on trains during peak commute hours.
Cyclist0094 is offline  
Old 02-19-06, 09:41 PM
  #4  
nub
 
Brad M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: The Hammer, Ontario
Posts: 264
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
You forgot the part about bike lanes as a tool of the terrorists. By forcing unsafe lane positions on us they are effectively securing petroleum-powered vehicles as the preferred method of personal transport. It's obvious that LAB has been taken over by osama, what with all their anti-american bike lane promotion and all that...
Brad M is offline  
Old 02-19-06, 10:00 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 171
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
So by eliminating mass transit, we remove a target for terrorists.

And then by making everyone move from the suburbs to the cities, we create an even more dense area of living spaces for terrorists to blow up.
Big Tommy C is offline  
Old 02-19-06, 10:10 PM
  #6  
more ape than man
 
timmhaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nyc
Posts: 8,091
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
the future of bicycling is more geared toward fitness than utility. i will venture to say that as cycling for fitness and recreation increase the suburbs will offer better riding opportunities than the city.
timmhaan is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 12:06 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 2,209
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I disagree. DOnt' you know all those stock bike saddles are made in in afganistan?---Osama has been working on this plot for years---"We shall get the infidels by making their rears too sore to fight"
skanking biker is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 01:12 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
cyclezealot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Fallbrook,Calif./Palau del Vidre, France
Posts: 13,230

Bikes: Klein QP, Fuji touring, Surly Cross Check, BCH City bike

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1485 Post(s)
Liked 73 Times in 64 Posts
I now live on two sides of the Atlantic. Mostly on its Eastern shore for now at least. Comparing life on both sides. Cycling in Europe is very much utility oriented along with fitness concerns.
But, just rubbing shoulders with people on the street. This obsession with terrorism. Seems an American thing. Seems biking about Europe. All seem more at peace with oneself and less concern over who are enemies are. When on the bike I think of environmental concerns but can't say Osama bin Laden has crossed my mind.
cyclezealot is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 06:08 AM
  #9  
Banned.
 
galen_52657's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Towson, MD
Posts: 4,020

Bikes: 2001 Look KG 241, 1989 Specialized Stump Jumper Comp, 1986 Gatane Performanc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cyclezealot
I now live on two sides of the Atlantic. Mostly on its Eastern shore for now at least. Comparing life on both sides. Cycling in Europe is very much utility oriented along with fitness concerns.
But, just rubbing shoulders with people on the street. This obsession with terrorism. Seems an American thing. Seems biking about Europe. All seem more at peace with oneself and less concern over who are enemies are. When on the bike I think of environmental concerns but can't say Osama bin Laden has crossed my mind.
Exactly.

There is no safety. Terrorism is by definition random acts of violence perpetrated by the oppressed against the oppressor. Either the government catches terrorists or it doesn't. Either Western civilisation responds to the root causes of terrorism or it doesn't.

When all you do all day is think about terrorism and ways to avoid being a victim, the terrorists have accomplished a large part of their mission.
galen_52657 is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 08:46 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Montreal
Posts: 6,521

Bikes: Peugeot Hybrid, Minelli Hybrid

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Americans only woke up to the horror of terrorism when it hit them. This is nothing new - the USA has been sponsoring terrorism in South America and SE Asia for the last 100 years. However I agree with many of the thoughts expressed, bikes just make sense for many transport needs.
AndrewP is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 09:07 AM
  #11  
Been Around Awhile
 
I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,971

Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,534 Times in 1,044 Posts
Originally Posted by galen_52657
Terrorism is by definition random acts of violence perpetrated by the oppressed against the oppressor.
Yeah, That's the ticket. The actions of the OK City bombers, the Madrid bombers, the abortion clinic bombers, the UnaBomber, the Atlanta Olympics bomber, the London subway bombers, the Tokio subway gassers, the WTC bombers, et al. are all acts of the "oppressed against the oppressor". Thanks for your wisdom, Jack Donkey!
I-Like-To-Bike is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 09:44 AM
  #12  
Urban Biker
 
jimmuter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 731

Bikes: Trek 720 hybrid; 2007 Specialized Tricross Comp

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AndrewP
Americans only woke up to the horror of terrorism when it hit them. This is nothing new - the USA has been sponsoring terrorism in South America and SE Asia for the last 100 years. However I agree with many of the thoughts expressed, bikes just make sense for many transport needs.
And Canada has been squeaky clean. Just ask Hayti.
jimmuter is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 10:19 AM
  #13  
imminent danger
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 739
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Yeah, That's the ticket. The actions of the OK City bombers, the Madrid bombers, the abortion clinic bombers, the UnaBomber, the Atlanta Olympics bomber, the London subway bombers, the Tokio subway gassers, the WTC bombers, et al. are all acts of the "oppressed against the oppressor". Thanks for your wisdom, Jack Donkey!
Heaven forfend that the oppressed might nominate the oppressor.
The Seldom Kill is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 11:04 AM
  #14  
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Posts: 1,620

Bikes: 2013 Orange Brompton M3L; 2006 Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange); 2022 Surly Cross Check, Black

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 1 Post
Originally Posted by The Seldom Kill
Heaven forfend that the oppressed might nominate the oppressor.
It's already happenned, in the U.S and elsewhere, and it keeps on happening over and over again...
aadhils is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 11:10 AM
  #15  
Been Around Awhile
 
I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,971

Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,534 Times in 1,044 Posts
Originally Posted by aadhils
It's already happenned, in the U.S and elsewhere, and it keeps on happening over and over again...
Suggestion to the Jack Donkeys: Take your Screeds to the Political, Religous or Foo Forums.
I-Like-To-Bike is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 11:29 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
cyclezealot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Fallbrook,Calif./Palau del Vidre, France
Posts: 13,230

Bikes: Klein QP, Fuji touring, Surly Cross Check, BCH City bike

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1485 Post(s)
Liked 73 Times in 64 Posts
All this fear, is it an American thing? Maybe we now are spending time in a uniquely blessed area. Was in Paris for New Years. Ride all over Roussillon.
New friends, cyclists. Even with friends on the Paris subways over New Years. ( guess, being naive might have its benefits?) But, comparing conversations with new European friends and now returing to America. There is a difference. People so far seem far more at peace with the world. Crime. Bring it up. People look bewildered. One clue homeowners insurance is far cheaper in Roussillon than California.
Upon entering the rigors of US Customs. Just feels different as soon as you enter.
But, to some degree sort of forgot about terrorism for the past four months. Now it is back. Is it me or are we just lucky.
My cyclists in Iowa live like cyclists in Roussillon?

Last edited by cyclezealot; 02-20-06 at 11:48 AM.
cyclezealot is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 11:54 AM
  #17  
more ape than man
 
timmhaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nyc
Posts: 8,091
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
Originally Posted by cyclezealot
All this fear, is it an American thing?
all the little things add up to create a sense of fear. all the extra police in the subways for example, the national gaurd at the entrance of major train stations, bomb sniffing dogs walking around. not to mention the signs that say "no photography allowed on bridge", or "if you see anything suspious...report it". we're sort of surrounded by it and thus it's hard not to be affected. i have to use a secruity card to get into work now and anytime i want to get to certain areas of the building. it's a different way of living than it was just 5 years ago that's for sure.
timmhaan is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 11:57 AM
  #18  
Been Around Awhile
 
I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,971

Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,534 Times in 1,044 Posts
Originally Posted by cyclezealot
All this fear, is it an American thing? Maybe we now are spending time in a uniquely blessed area. Was in Paris for New Years. Ride all over Roussillon.
New friends, cyclists. Even with friends on the Paris subways over New Years. ( guess, being naive might have its benefits?) But, comparing conversations with new European friends and now returing to America. There is a difference. People so far seem far more at peace with the world. Crime. Bring it up. People look bewildered. One clue homeowners insurance is far cheaper in Roussillon than California.
Upon entering the rigors of US Customs. Just feels different as soon as you enter.
But, to some degree sort of forgot about terrorism for the past four months. Now it is back. Is it me or are we just lucky.
My cyclists in Iowa live like cyclists in Roussillon?
This cyclist in Iowa does not fear terrorists in general or in specific; but has unbriddled contempt for dingy Jack Donkey Philosophers who make moronic/thoughtless excuses on BF for the likes of the OK City, abortion clinic, Unabomber, etc. criminals. Bicycling advocates? In a pig's butt.
I-Like-To-Bike is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 12:49 PM
  #19  
Banned.
 
galen_52657's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Towson, MD
Posts: 4,020

Bikes: 2001 Look KG 241, 1989 Specialized Stump Jumper Comp, 1986 Gatane Performanc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Yeah, That's the ticket. The actions of the OK City bombers, the Madrid bombers, the abortion clinic bombers, the UnaBomber, the Atlanta Olympics bomber, the London subway bombers, the Tokio subway gassers, the WTC bombers, et al. are all acts of the "oppressed against the oppressor". Thanks for your wisdom, Jack Donkey!
OK shiznit-for-brains...

Every time a violent act is committed is it 'terrorism'

OK city bombers = anarchists
Madrid bombers = Islamic terrorists
abortion clinic bombers = lunatic right
UnaBomber = plain old lunatic
Olympic bomber = I can't remember
London subway bombers = Islamic terrorists
Tokyo subway gassers = cult
WTC bombers = Islamic terrorists

Does anybody think the Arab (and not all Islamic) population of what is now the Jewish state thought the UN mandate creating a Jewish state where none existed and Israel's ensuing armed struggle taking the land were 'terrorism'?

I-like-to-bike, I am sure you would be more than willing to give up your land if the UN so mandated.
galen_52657 is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 03:47 PM
  #20  
Dominatrikes
 
sbhikes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Still in Santa Barbara
Posts: 4,920

Bikes: Catrike Pocket, Lightning Thunderbold recumbent, Trek 3000 MTB.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I think maybe the OP hit one one of the aspects of cycling that make it an attractive alternative for people who don't have to go too far: that decentralized thing. It's annoying to plan your day around a bus schedule. A bike is a lot like a car: you just get on it and go.

Personally I'm not worried about terrorism. (I think there's more to worry about in regards to the response to so-called terrorism than any actual terrorism.) I'm much more worried about the environment.

Also, in the age of bird flu it certainly doesn't hurt that cycling keeps you healthy in addition to keeping you away from centralized masses of people. (I am not actually worried about bird flu.)
sbhikes is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 03:52 PM
  #21  
more ape than man
 
timmhaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: nyc
Posts: 8,091
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
Originally Posted by sbhikes

Personally I'm not worried about terrorism. (I think there's more to worry about in regards to the response to so-called terrorism than any actual terrorism.) I'm much more worried about the environment.
that's kinda how i feel too. i just don't know what the environment will be like in the future...and that is scary. i fear that in our lifetime everything will be managed by humans for humans. i place a huge value in having areas of untouched nature. i'm not so sure that's a value most people hold important.
timmhaan is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 05:16 PM
  #22  
Been Around Awhile
 
I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,971

Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,534 Times in 1,044 Posts
Originally Posted by galen_52657
I-like-to-bike, I am sure you would be more than willing to give up your land if the UN so mandated.
Is this your idea of bicycling advocacy or safety? Take your political rhetoric and hot "stuff" OT opinions to Foo or Politics, where you can find plenty of dingbats who might care about your take on this issue.
I-Like-To-Bike is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 05:19 PM
  #23  
nub
 
Brad M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: The Hammer, Ontario
Posts: 264
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I can't wait for bird flu. We need a good culling.
Brad M is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 07:34 PM
  #24  
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 24,360

Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by galen_52657
When all you do all day is think about terrorism and ways to avoid being a victim, the terrorists have accomplished a large part of their mission.
+1
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline  
Old 02-20-06, 09:14 PM
  #25  
Banned.
 
galen_52657's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Towson, MD
Posts: 4,020

Bikes: 2001 Look KG 241, 1989 Specialized Stump Jumper Comp, 1986 Gatane Performanc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Is this your idea of bicycling advocacy or safety? Take your political rhetoric and hot "stuff" OT opinions to Foo or Politics, where you can find plenty of dingbats who might care about your take on this issue.
The original post dealt with terrorism, which is by it's very nature political. If you don't want to talk about it don't interject your hay-seed sermons into the discussion.
galen_52657 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.