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    Anti-SUV ad campaign


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    Hmmm ... the SUV owner's name is George. Why don't they just call him GW?

    The whole add campaign is pure satire. It's a parody of the government's "buy drugs, support terrorism" adds:

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    The difference between the two adds is that @ least the SUV argument has some merit.

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    :thumbup: Good job steele-bike in finding this story.I like it.
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    Looks an AWFUL lot like my "ad' I posted here

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    Originally posted by Raiyn
    Looks an AWFUL lot like my "ad' I posted here
    Holy cow - it looks very similar!!!!

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    The SUV ad has more merit than the drug ad?? Give me a break!

    So what you are saying is that driving an SUV is more or should be more of a criminal act than buying drugs, i.e. cocaine?

    You should be a politician with that sort of thinking.

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    Originally posted by TLN
    The SUV ad has more merit than the drug ad?? Give me a break!

    So what you are saying is that driving an SUV is more or should be more of a criminal act than buying drugs, i.e. cocaine?

    You should be a politician with that sort of thinking.
    Did anyone say that? Cocaine is bad. Oil (when used wastefully) is bad as well.

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    Originally posted by TLN
    The SUV ad has more merit than the drug ad?? Give me a break!

    So what you are saying is that driving an SUV is more or should be more of a criminal act than buying drugs, i.e. cocaine?

    You should be a politician with that sort of thinking.
    No - that's not what I stated. Let me try again. I'm attempting to show that our country's gluttonous appetite for crude oil has a MUCH more detrimental affect on our war on terrorism than buying drugs does.

    PS: If I were a politician, I would tell you that if you do drugs, you're supporting communism ... oh no that was years ago ... I mean you're supporting terrorism. Yeah, that's it - that's the ticket!

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    "No - that's not what I stated. Let me try again. I'm attempting to show that our country's gluttonous appetite for crude oil has a MUCH more detrimental affect on our war on terrorism than buying drugs does."

    Ill majorly agree on that.
    But reading that article as a whole there are only a couple of SUVs that have a 13 mpg give or take. Most of them get as good mpg as most small trucks due to lack of sales in previous years.

    The reasoning "I sit up higher" in an SUV than a car, does have merit. Most people I know that own SUVs commute on interstates an have a legitimate excuse to own one....safety.

    But I rather commute on my bike, which I do.

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    Arianna Huffington is a big pain in the a**


    If the ad campaign was a parody, the networks would have carried them, but their not... The libel in cases such as these is huge... and reflects AH's segued thinking. She's become a bozo in Orange Cty.
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    Originally posted by Garbear
    The libel in cases such as these is huge... and reflects AH's segued thinking.
    I don't follow. Whom is the ad libeling? And what's segued thinking?

    The beauty of these ads, imho, is that they send up the hypocrisy of the Administration's War On Drug ads by simply placing "drugs" with "SUV." And if they piss off the Escalade-driving-down-to-the-Starbucks crowd, that's just gravy.
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    "the biggest weapon of mass destruction is sitting in your driveway" i like that ! & it applies to all of us , not just to you good people in the USA !
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    dont worry be happy ????

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    Originally posted by Garbear
    Arianna Huffington is a big pain in the a**


    The libel in cases such as these is huge... and reflects AH's segued thinking. She's become a bozo in Orange Cty.
    So tell us what you really think. Also what are the legal boundaries of slander?

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    Originally posted by caloso


    I don't follow. Whom is the ad libeling? And what's segued thinking?

    The beauty of these ads, imho, is that they send up the hypocrisy of the Administration's War On Drug ads by simply placing "drugs" with "SUV." And if they piss off the Escalade-driving-down-to-the-Starbucks crowd, that's just gravy.
    Read the ad and "ponder" oh bright one how to win friends and influence your own enema via print media. Being I own an Escalade and don't visit Starbucks because I have my own super auto espresso maker ... I've elected not to further titillate you with pragmatic concepts that reach above and beyond the simplistic agenda of pissing people off for the fun of it...

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    Those ads are not meant tongue-in-cheek. They are serious about it and that's the sad part.
    SUV's support terrorism because they get poor gas mileage. What about the sports cars that get equally poor mileage or luxury cars that get poor mileage, both being less practical than an SUV.

    Buying 5 more gallons of gas makes someone evil? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If SUV drivers are supporting terrorism, WE ALL are supporting terrorism. Whoever buys one gallon of gas is supporting terrorism.

    It is a stupid concept for a commercial devised by stupid people to bring attention to themselves. It is ignorant and does nothing but piss people off. It doesn't rally people to save gas, it just feeds the pro/anti-suv arguments.

    And how about those electric cars? Has anyone really looked into the environmental hazards of one vehicle carrying 50x more toxic, unrecyclable batteries that must be disposed of by 30,000 miles and fully replaced? Hybrids are oil dependent so I guess that is supporting terrorism too. By the way, don't heat your home and we better shut down powerplants and refineries because they are all supporting terrorism.

    The fact is that we are a global marketplace and the world is dependent on oil.

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    Originally posted by Garbear


    Read the ad and "ponder" oh bright one how to win friends and influence your own enema via print media.
    You didn't answer my question. Whom does the ad libel? I've watched the ads (see http://www.detroitproject.com/ads/default.htm) and it doesn't refer to any specific person, just a group of SUV owners. I don't think you really mean libel in a legal sense, but that it's a harsh parody that might hurt the feelings of some folks. Also, it's a TV campaign, not print media.

    Being I own an Escalade and don't visit Starbucks because I have my own super auto espresso maker ... I've elected not to further titillate you with pragmatic concepts that reach above and beyond the simplistic agenda of pissing people off for the fun of it...
    I didn't see any pragmatic concepts in your post. Nor was I titilated. If you read my comment, I said that the genius of the ad was to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the Bush administration's WOD ads by parodying them. The pissing off of people, as I said, was an added benefit.

    Finally, I guess it's your prerogative to drop alot of harsh comments in a thread and then decide to check out when called on it.
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    Originally posted by TLN
    The reasoning "I sit up higher" in an SUV than a car, does have merit. Most people I know that own SUVs commute on interstates an have a legitimate excuse to own one....safety.
    If your definition of "safety" is "let's get into big tanks to go out and collect the mail" then I guess that is the case. Personally I'd like to see some statistics which indicates that SUV's are any safer than any other cars on the road. I'd be extremely surprised if that was the case.

    Originally posted by RacerX
    The fact is that we are a global marketplace and the world is dependent on oil.
    The fact is that oil money is the main source of funding for terrorism globally. The other fact is that oil is a finite resource that simply won't last forever regardless of who sells it. Ergo, there will eventually be a post-oil economy (the same as there was a pre-oil economy) and the sooner that transition begins the easier it will be.

    In any case, nobody has ever given me a satisfactory explanation of why oil consumption (or consumption of anything else for that matter) has to be one extreme or the other. There are perfectly legitimate ways of significantly reducing oil consumption (such as encouraging more efficient vehicles) without cutting it out altogether.
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    "If your definition of "safety" is "let's get into big tanks to go out and collect the mail" then I guess that is the case. Personally I'd like to see some statistics which indicates that SUV's are any safer than any other cars on the road. I'd be extremely surprised if that was the case."

    No, my difinition of safety is a technical one. What Im talking about is rush hour traffic on the interstate. There have been so many accidents where you have people not paying attention to their driving and having accidents, like slamming into someone who is almost or completely at a stop. Technically its safer to be up higher, unless getting hit by a semi, then it would be at a lower height.

    I dont know what kind of boneheads you know who drive around in "big tanks" to get the mail, but the bonehead that I know who own SUVs use them to commute to work... and the commute is more than 20 miles.

    The one thing I would like to know is why the same people who bash SUVs never really have anything to say about trucks or semi trucks? Talk about wasting fuel... oh yeah, thats right... they transport goods. That must be the point.... but then there are freight trains right?

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    ... heres something else to consider...

    http://www.wwj.com/ease-zine/stories/10a1002.html

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    Sure there are freight trains and they do transport a lot of goods, however a train is stuck on a track and can only deliver to certain depots. This is where the goods are put on trucks to be transported to their final destination. The reality is, trucks are needed to get the products into the cities and suburbs, and most country areas that aren't serviced by rail.

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    So 7 billion gallons of fuel would be saved per year, that's hardly a small amount of oil.

    1,842,105,263 litres of fuel per year is enough to run 885,627 cars for a year using 40 litres of fuel per week each.

    So what point is John McElroy trying to make?

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    Originally posted by TLN
    I dont know what kind of boneheads you know who drive around in "big tanks" to get the mail, but the bonehead that I know who own SUVs use them to commute to work... and the commute is more than 20 miles.
    So I'm supposed to be in awe of this somehow? There are a bunch of people here who bike to work and their commute is over 20 miles. I'm supposed to feel all shiny and happy because some couch-potato exec drives an SUV because he has over 20 miles to go to work? Move closer to work! Get a more efficent vehicle! Carpool! These single occupant vehicles (more specifically single occupant SUV's) burn more fuel for no better reason than to haul some lazy status-seeking schlub to his office. At least with the trucks they're generally hauling a USEFUL product. ....over 20 miles cry me a river.
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    Here's the script for the other ad on the detriotproject site

    "I helped hijack an airplane. I helped blow up a nightclub. So what if it gets 11 miles to the gallon. I gave money to a terrorist training camp in a foreign country. It makes me feel safe. I helped our enemies develop weapons of mass destruction. What if I need to go off-road? Everyone has one. I helped teach kids around the world to hate America. I like to sit up high. I sent our soldiers off to war. Everyone has one. My life, my SUV. I don't even know how many miles it gets to the gallon."

    WHAT IS YOUR SUV DOING TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY?
    DETROIT, AMERICA NEEDS HYBRID CARS NOW.



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    Fact: you buy gas you are giving money to foreign oil interests many of these Arab.

    Fact the Al queda gets there funding from oil interests, much more than from the lowly pot dealer (like the ads portray)

    Fact every time you fill up you gas guzzling vehicles you are contributing to terrorists

    Now if we all would lobby our politicians and vote for someone who is not in the pockets of the oil cartels we maybe able to come up with some other alternative fuel source and then we are not dependent on foreign interests (Hmm conservative I wonder where the word is derived from?) for our day to day livelihood

    Yes this is a complex situation and it may mean jobs in jeopardy but isn't that all part of progress I mean what ever happened to the rag man, ice man, blacksmith, basket weaver, etc etc etc. And like progress different jobs will be created.
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    SUV safer? you guys need to stop sucking on exhaust fumes. They are not safer there is much more of a chance of a roll over because of the high center of gravity. More often than not when I am traveling through or mountain regions here in adverse weather it is the SUV, thinking that they can get anywhere in their vehicle because it is 4 wheel drive that they go zipping down the freeway or roadway in snow or heavy rain at unsafe speeds. And they are also the vehicles you will see most in a ditch or nasty accident because though they can move through adverse weather, they cannot stop. And it is my tax dollars that get wasted during the aftermath of all this.
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