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    road raged by a 'bike racer' lawyer from her car today

    I have seen the foul depths of evil in my fellow americans, and today i was road raged in Seattle by a wacked woman who claimed to be a 'bike rider', raced bikes, bought custom frames at this downtown shop, and was a lawyer to boot! What a crazy incident.....

    I was riding towards into downtown Seattle this morning on 2nd Ave. 2nd ave is a four lane one way, with a bike lane on one side.

    I was clipping along on a slight uphill in and near the bike lane, then merged right to make a right turn in a few blocks. Bikes are allowed to ride on either side of a one way here. a truck was stopped in the road ahead and i moved into one of the middle lanes to get around him. there was very little traffic, and i was not cutting anyone off, just typical Seattle Belltown traffic..... At the moment i pull nearly abreast the truck, the trucker decides to cut across ALL the lanes of traffic without signalling to make a left turn. I merge further out, and flip the driver the #1 signal. there was light traffic otherwise, and my riding was impeding no drivers behind me.

    At the stop, a woman rolls down her window and starts screaming at me.....

    " I'm a bicyclist and you are the bicyclists that get us killed out here! I'm a bike racer, I buy bikes at a (downtown seattle custom bike builder) and you give us a bad name! You should be going 35 miles an hour if you are in the lanes (inflating downtown speed limits by 10 MPH)....I'm a lawyer!!"

    So, we begin a heated discussion of the ROWs in the state of washington, and bicyclists rules of the road.....this woman stayed thru two light cycles, arguing with me about how i such a bad bicyclist for going around the truck and flipping the driver off; the truck driver is stuck helplessly behind her.

    She even got out of the car, to get all in my face,and was checking if my bike had a speedometer....she was such a wackjob, i was suprised I didn't mace her. she had already identified herself as a 'lawyer' and one that defended bicyclists....what a joke. i accused her of road rage; fired off the name of a bike lawyer in Seattle, and urged her to reaquaint herself with the revised code of the state of washington regarding bicyclists....

    what an idiot. i cannot believe american society has sunk so low, that this type of behavior is engaged in by a lawyer, one who races bikes and buys fancy bike frames.



    I think too, this is indicative of a schism in bicycling culture, betweeen the spandax Audax wannabees, and the utility and transportational bikers.
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    i think you shouldn't flip pickup trucks off and then get in front of them

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    was she hot?
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    i cannot believe american society has sunk so low
    It was one woman. Not "American society".

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    You should have told her "I will let you talk to MY lawer!" and then gave her his phone number and road on! People don't understand the concept of speed LIMIT and the fact that you are supposed to drive according to the conditions (i.e. slow down) Just because you can go 25mph or 35mph doesn't mean you always will. Plus a bicyclist is allowed the full lane if necessary and as long as your communicating your intentions you are in the right. Looks like she was slowing everyone down at that point. I would have called the cops or told her too if she had a problem. No reason to argue since it is her word against yours. Flipping people off is not a good thing! It just makes people more negative towards cyclists! That is one thing I don't think was a good idea to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    what an idiot. i cannot believe american society has sunk so low, that this type of behavior is engaged in by a lawyer, one who races bikes and buys fancy bike frames.



    I think too, this is indicative of a schism in bicycling culture, betweeen the spandax Audax wannabees, and the utility and transportational bikers.

    Without meaning any offence, I can believe that <any> western society has sunk so low. The kind of bike she rides has nothing to do with her behaviour (despite what some would say), her racing has nothing to do with her behaviour (I have met cyclists who race who are wonderful, who are *******s, and those who dont who fit both descriptions as well - the divide between different cycling "types" is largely artificial), and her being a lawyer has nothing to do with her behaviour. I think the majority of reasons why people act like this stem from a few things: a lack of maturity, selfishness, a sense of "moral" or other superiority, and a lack of maturity (oh wait, I said that already).

    Being self serving is beaten into our heads when to be considered a success by mainstream culture you have to "win", beat the other, and everything is a competition. This tends to bring out the less pleasant characteristics in some people. Some people are able to achieve "success" by society's standards and remain nice, but a lot of people struggle to do so, and by now, I am sure we all realise that someone who triggers the "pet peeve" response in another person, will receive the brunt of the strung out person's bad behaviour. Just look at bikeforums for some beautiful examples of this: it is a study in character assassination.

    The schism in bike culture exists, yes. But again, I would argue that I comes from a lack of willingness amongst people who ride different bikes for different reasons to accept people for who they are. It is the same mentality that makes it difficult for drivers to accept bikes. It is also from a lack of maturity, selfishness, a sense of "moral" or other superiority, and a lack of maturity. What matters in the world of biking is that people are on bikes. The OP's example is just another bad example of what "elitism" can create. (and I have seen that go both ways too - "roadies" ripping into mtn bikers, mtn bikers ripping into roadies, utilitarians snobbilly flipping off anyone in lycra, etc etc etc - pity the poor person with 3 bikes who engages in all kinds of riding! they must claw themselves to death everynight!)
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    I can't believe you would waste your time arguing with an obviously irrational person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLBandit
    They're cute when they're angry!


    Q. How do you know if someone is a lawyer?
    A. (S)He'll tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supcom
    I can't believe you would waste your time arguing with an obviously irrational person.

    Thanks for the great siggy quotation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtsmile
    - pity the poor person with 3 bikes who engages in all kinds of riding! they must claw themselves to death everynight!)
    There's a European commuter bike, a road bike, and a hybrid in my garage. I may be at risk for this. Thanks for the "heads up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    ....she was such a wackjob, i was suprised I didn't mace her.
    I would never pass up the opportunity to mace a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    was riding towards into downtown Seattle this morning on 2nd Ave. 2nd ave is a four lane one way, with a bike lane on one side.
    Bad biker! Get back in your bike lane! Bad!

    Good to see "velo-transit" is alive and well in Seattle. As long as there are bike lanes, somebody is going to think you always have to be in them.
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    I'm sure you would have treated me the same way, eh, Mark?

    i was preparing to make a right, so had moved to the side of the street opposite the bike lane.

    this woman was a rager, an asshat. talking to a yipyah who purports to 'defend bicyclists' in the legal arena is worth jawing over.

    And she WAS hot; i was hoping for a little 'fatal attraction' action.......
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    she obviously thought you were hot. you should get her # next time.
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    Things like that give me desire to make some copies of the Kentucky Revised Statutes regarding cyclists, fold them up into neat little parcels and have them ready for re-education purposes. Were she not hot, I wouldn't've wasted my time on her Bek, but since she was, I don't think I can really blame you too much other than waving my finger and saying "don't flip off trucks, that's bad for numerous reasons unrelated to this thread"

    come to kentucky: you'll learn you can flip off everyone but the truck drivers. they're nice people on the road (I usually get more courteous behavior from trucks on or off bike) but don't mess with them.
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    road rage is one of the ugliest aspects of human nature. it's absolutely disgusting to watch and be a part of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkS
    Bad biker! Get back in your bike lane! Bad!

    Good to see "velo-transit" is alive and well in Seattle. As long as there are bike lanes, somebody is going to think you always have to be in them.
    Why? Why can't we tell the public that cyclists have the same rights to use the road as everyone else, and that bike lanes are only a convenience.

    Every state in the US has a law that gives cyclists the same rights on the road as any vehicle, and generally experienced cyclists know that... but do we bother in any way to tell the public?

    Those that do not cycle, drive about assuming they own the road, and that cyclists have no rights to it... laws however give us rights that no one knows about. It is as if we have Stealth Rights.

    "Yes, you have rights, but we shan't tell anyone now shall we."

    It is as if you are increadably rich, but cannot spend a dime!

    Apparently even miss lawyer didn't even know...
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    Get her name and report her to the state bar association. Seems she has some anger management issues the Bar might be interested in.
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    Yes, you should have asked for her card, and then reported her to the BAR for unprofessional conduct. They take thing slike this pretty seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLBandit
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    Lawyers? Racers?

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    I GOT her name, and vehicle tag... ya'll think i should?
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    yeah, I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    I GOT her name, and vehicle tag... ya'll think i should?
    you would be a hero if you did. okay, that may be overstating it a bit, but i think you should. definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    Why? Why can't we tell the public that cyclists have the same rights to use the road as everyone else, and that bike lanes are only a convenience.
    Bike lanes aren't just a convenience if the law says you have to be in them ... even if the fine print allows you out for good behavior.

    But, yeah, letting the world know that bikers have rights too is a good idea. But how do you do that in a state that has already eliminated driver's education? Obviously, just tellling people (like Bek tried here) that you have rights has no effect because of the generally stubborn quality of human nature.

    I have never heard or seen a pro-bike advertisement on broadcast media. I've never seen a "share the road" advertisement in any magazine. I've never seen a "share the road" billboard. These are the most common and credible ways of disseminating information. So I assume that no matter how much money I send to some "bike advocacy" organization, the money is not going to be used that way.

    After these commercial approaches, we would have to look for more grass-roots ways to get the word out. What are low-cost ways of getting the word out? Here's some that occur to me at the moment:
    • Posters on light poles and such, just like "lost doggy" posters
    • Share the road signs on sticks just like you see during election campaigns.
    • Larger posters on electrical boxes like you see with those advant-guard semi-art "Rebel" posters
    • Leaflets slipped under windshield wipers
    • Hand out "tracts" at freeway exits


    Not sure about the legality of posters and such -- though certainly other groups seem to get away with them.
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