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Old 08-03-06, 07:30 PM   #1
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"Turn your blinker off." Why?

I was riding tonight on a bike / pedestrian trail, and it was near dusk. I have an amber light on the front, and a red light on the back. I especially use them on my early morning road rides, but had them on this evening because it was getting dark and I was having trouble seeing some folks. I always have both flashing so that 1) I am best seen and 2) I don't waste batteries.

One guy in a big group of bikers spoke loudly, "Turn your blinker off", like I was supposed to know better. Please inform me if blinkers are bad for some reason, on some trails, in some bike positions, or what.

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Old 08-03-06, 07:31 PM   #2
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I don't accept orders from strangers very readily, so I'd just keep using it. If it helps you be seen at night, that's all that matters.
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That's a little weird. You're the one responsible for your safety so unless it's causing other people a problem you should just ignore the guy.
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Rear red blinkers are usually allowed by statute.
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Old 08-03-06, 07:56 PM   #5
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Only reason i could see is if it was really bright. I got on to one rider because he had some blinker he made him self from supper bright visible ultra violet leds. They hurt your eyes. That don't help you to be seen it just makes it more dangerous. But unless yours is the same way and i doubt it is ignore him.
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......................... If it helps you be seen at night, that's all that matters.
It also matters that you may be blinding someone who is riding behind you
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It also matters that you may be blinding someone who is riding behind you
If I was riding behind someone and thier blinker bothered me, I would;

A: Pass.

2: Slow down.

C: Finally admit that I'm an old codger that gets annoyed by dumbass ****.

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I was riding tonight on a bike / pedestrian trail, and it was near dusk. I have an amber light on the front, and a red light on the back. I especially use them on my early morning road rides, but had them on this evening because it was getting dark and I was having trouble seeing some folks. I always have both flashing so that 1) I am best seen and 2) I don't waste batteries.

One guy in a big group of bikers spoke loudly, "Turn your blinker off", like I was supposed to know better. Please inform me if blinkers are bad for some reason, on some trails, in some bike positions, or what.

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Makes no sense to me... the best rear LED lights are bright enough to be seen easily, but not to hurt anyone's eyes. I don't know why anyone would object to you being a responsible guy and trying to make yourself visible. I say, keep up the good work
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Maybe they were german? (In Germany, red rear blinkers are illegal, they must be solid)
I'd stand behind my bike and just double check that its not too bright. If its fine, they were just jerks.
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He didn't say they were behind him. kk4df, were they behind you and annoyed at your rear blinkie, or were they in front of you and annoyed at your flashing headlight?

As a point of curiosity... http://www.bicyclegeorgia.com/galaw.html Looking at the laws as they're stated, a flashing front light is probably not road-legal (and the laws also say they apply to paths too). Does it attract attention better? Probably so.

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the best rear LED lights are bright enough to be seen easily, but not to hurt anyone's eyes.
Don't be too sure My blinkie versus my 13-watt HID headlight:



I'm doing a 50-mile fundraiser ride this weekend. What to do about the Nova BULL megablinkie... hmmm... maybe I'll just set it for steady-fire.

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He didn't say they were behind him. kk4df, were they behind you and annoyed at your rear blinkie, or were they in front of you and annoyed at your flashing headlight?

As a point of curiosity... http://www.bicyclegeorgia.com/galaw.html Looking at the laws as they're stated, a flashing front light is probably not road-legal (and the laws also say they apply to paths too). Does it attract attention better? Probably so.

I'm doing a 50-mile fundraiser ride this weekend. What to do about the Nova BULL megablinkie... hmmm... maybe I'll just set it for steady-fire.
Some states (mine) also require a white light on the front. Possibly the color is a problem there?

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You said it was a red Nova BULL blinkie...

It's more like a Nova RED BULL blinkie.
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Old 08-03-06, 08:55 PM   #13
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Don't be too sure :

You only beat me by about 5 minutes.
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Perhaps he thought you should conserve your battery charge for night riding.
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Don't be too sure My blinkie versus my 13-watt HID headlight:

Wow! Where do you get that insane tail light?
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He didn't say they were behind him. kk4df, were they behind you and annoyed at your rear blinkie, or were they in front of you and annoyed at your flashing headlight?
Oh that woyuld annoy me. Some people are very senstive to bright flashing white/yellow light (People with overly bright turn signals give me headaches). Also those lights are more concentrated, so the difference would be very annoying.
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It also matters that you may be blinding someone who is riding behind you
This is true.
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Wow! Where do you get that insane tail light?
Here's some info, I posted pics of how it's attached and stuff: So how's that Nova LED megablinkie in broad sunlight...? Daylight shots from medium range, too, I use it day & night to help get detected from longer distances than without. I think it might be working

Post #10 in this thread shows comparison pics between the Nova and a Cateye LD-1000: Two good tailights from 1/4 mile


EDIT: I don't ride MUPs. I agree that it wouldn't be very thoughtful to tow a Nova down a dark MUP, it's not like I have to worry about dangerous rear-end collisions on a path. For that situation, I'd probably use just my little Planet Bike blinkie or my Cateye LD-500.
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Maybe he was just being nice and wanted to let you know your turn signal was on.

Oh...wait, wrong blinker.

*slinks away*
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I always ride with a red winky blinky light on the rear. It is turned on every time I ride.
If someone does not like it, that is too bad. If they noticed it, it has accomplished my purpose in having it on.
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Here's some info, I posted pics of how it's attached and stuff: So how's that Nova LED megablinkie in broad sunlight...? Daylight shots from medium range, too, I use it day & night to help get detected from longer distances than without. I think it might be working

Post #10 in this thread shows comparison pics between the Nova and a Cateye LD-1000: Two good tailights from 1/4 mile
Very cool... if I ever move out to somewhere not swamped in light pollution (e.g. back home to good ol' Michigan), I'll consider one of those.

I've considered building my own homebrew LED-based lighting before, after taking a few electronics courses, but I've been really frustrated with information on available LEDs. It seems there aren't many places willing to sell ultra-bright white LEDs in small quantities for hobbyists. Does anyone have good sources? Also, the intensity ratings on some sites seem to be downright misleading. :-/
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Only thing I can think is a problem with the amber in the front. Blinking amber would make me think of a construction barrior or something.
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I always ride with a red winky blinky light on the rear. It is turned on every time I ride.
If someone does not like it, that is too bad. If they noticed it, it has accomplished my purpose in having it on.
I think thats what those jerks with massivly powerful driving lights (non-street legal) on thier jeeps think. They're not making the road safer, but more dangerious
Granted, red rear bike lights are not exactly blinding in 99% of cases.
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