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    This is New, 3 Feet when Passing

    316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:

    (1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall give an appropriate signal as provided for in s. 316.156, shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle.

    (2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

    (3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

    Italics mine. This just got passed this year.

    My apologies if someone else already covered this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun
    316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:

    (1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall give an appropriate signal as provided for in s. 316.156, shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle.

    (2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

    (3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

    Italics mine. This just got passed this year.

    My apologies if someone else already covered this.

    Of course it won't mean squat if the public doesn't know about it.

    You just found out. How long before that motorist that is about to pass you finds out.

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    I knew when it passed, but I just now found it in print while looking for something else.

    It is true that motorists won't know about it and I don't really expect them too. The vast majority of drivers learn just enough the sqeak by the grossly easy tests and at that point the learning curve stops. Which is why I'm an avocate of retesting for a DL at least every three years for everyone, with few exceptions. Those being military stationed out of state, etc.

    But to me, what the passing of this legislation really reaffirms is that the legislators are aware of cycling and and our right to the road.

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    Minnesota has a law just like this...but people just don't seem to care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by new_dharma
    Minnesota has a law just like this...but people just don't seem to care.
    Do the "people" know?

    New laws are passed all the time and hardly make any dent at all in the newspapers. Something like this, which directly effects cyclists, should be brought to the attention of those that are supposed to adhere to it... otherwise it is just like putting a headlight on a bike and never turning it on at night.

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    3 feet is not much.
    They should give you the entire lane.

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    3 feet is not much.
    They should give you the entire lane.
    I disagree. Three feet is enough if the speed differential is OK. If everyone were comfortable simply moving over three feet and passing smoothly, we wouldn't have so many pinheads passing aggressively (afraid to cross the line) or following too closely. To require everyone to take the entire oncoming lane to pass us would only increase their perception that we create a traffic bottleneck.

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    I should add that my position on the passing issue depends on me having the right to determine when a motorist is required to move entirely into the next lane to pass. I do that by taking the entire lane so they have to be completely over the line to give me the required space.

    I seldom have issues with drivers here in Toronto. They seem to get the idea when I'm left of center in my lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    Do the "people" know?

    New laws are passed all the time and hardly make any dent at all in the newspapers. Something like this, which directly effects cyclists, should be brought to the attention of those that are supposed to adhere to it... otherwise it is just like putting a headlight on a bike and never turning it on at night.
    the minnesota law has been on the books for a long time...it's in the drivers manual and I had it on my test. It's not new here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgerve
    3 feet is not much.
    They should give you the entire lane.
    Actually, on these rural, two-lane, NOL roads very nearly all drivers do give me the entire lane, so safe passing distance never has been much of a problem. Part of this is because I'm nearly always pulling a trailer, and part of it is because of my default road position, which is the entire right half of the right lane. Unless there's traffic approaching from both directions. Then I shift left and take the entire lane.

    The main reason I like that this got passed is that it gives us all additional credibility on the road.

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    Ignorance of the law or saying I did not know about it is not a valid excuse & will not hold up in court. It is up to all motorists to know what the basic traffic laws are. The states do a good job of making them available to all drivers. A cager who chooses to not find out is no excuse for the ignorance of the law.

    I do not agree with forcing a driving test every 3 years. What should be done before anyone is allowed to drive is a more strict drivers ed course. It is far to easy to pass it. The states need to include a lot more on the traffic laws. They should also show the results of what could happen if those laws are disobeyed. For example what a dead victim looks like after a drunk driver hits & kills them. show the accident scene photos with the dead body or bodies covered by the sheets or in the body bags. Show the photos of the aftermath of a cyclist that was hit & either injured or killed because a cager was driving too fast to get by & did not want to wait.

    For those of us who are already driving show us the same thing & make us take a test on the basic traffic laws for us to keep legally driving.

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    I agree that initial testing should be more stringent. However, there are changes to traffic law in every state, every year, and although it's true that ignorance for the law is no excuse, very few road users make any attempt to keep up with the changes.

    Without periodic retesting how would you ensure widest dissemination of changes in traffic law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun
    316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:

    (1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall give an appropriate signal as provided for in s. 316.156, shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle.

    (2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

    (3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

    Italics mine. This just got passed this year.

    My apologies if someone else already covered this.
    I can't believe it. Our illustrious State of Florida is moving in the right direction on byciclists rights, at least on paper. But with Miami (or was it the state?), having the dubious honor of having the worst drivers in the US, I'm still looking over my shoulder! Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    Ignorance of the law or saying I did not know about it is not a valid excuse & will not hold up in court. It is up to all motorists to know what the basic traffic laws are. The states do a good job of making them available to all drivers. A cager who chooses to not find out is no excuse for the ignorance of the law.

    I do not agree with forcing a driving test every 3 years. What should be done before anyone is allowed to drive is a more strict drivers ed course. It is far to easy to pass it. The states need to include a lot more on the traffic laws. They should also show the results of what could happen if those laws are disobeyed. For example what a dead victim looks like after a drunk driver hits & kills them. show the accident scene photos with the dead body or bodies covered by the sheets or in the body bags. Show the photos of the aftermath of a cyclist that was hit & either injured or killed because a cager was driving too fast to get by & did not want to wait.

    For those of us who are already driving show us the same thing & make us take a test on the basic traffic laws for us to keep legally driving.
    Driver training should be more stringent, for one thing is should be done by the state, or state regulated courses, if you are in an area that has temperatures below freezing for more then 24 hour periods, it should include training on a skid pan. This would be paid for by the new driver. Such courses would also include a period in a simulator which gives the point of view of a large bus, a large truck/trailer combination, and a second simulator for two wheeled vehicles. If drivers realized the view and reaction times in such vehicles, drivers would be a lot more careful around them.

    Drivers should be required to take a short refresher course every licence renewal, that includes a written test on the materials provided. This would include all changes in traffic regulations, and other information that drivers need to know.

    While licences should be harder to get, they should also be easier to lose, for example a drunk driver should lose his/her licence, period. After an amount of time, say 5 years, the state erases the conviction from their driving record, by erasing their driving record. This means they need to start all over again in the new training program, and while the insurance company can't hold the conviction over them, they can charge them new driver rates. If you are caught driving during the 5 year period, you obviously can't be trusted, and get to spend a whole 5 years where the state can be sure your not driving

    As for the 3 feet rule, this is fine for vehicles under 10,000lbs at speeds of under 30MPH, with wider berths needed for larger vehicles, and higher speeds, for example one foot more for every 10MPH in speed, and 10,000lbs of vehicle weight, up to a complete lane change.

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    If you're caught drunk driving you should never ever be legally allowed to drive a motor vehicle again or be allowed to own one. You screw up once on that & your driving legally is revoked for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    If you're caught drunk driving you should never ever be legally allowed to drive a motor vehicle again or be allowed to own one. You screw up once on that & your driving legally is revoked for life.
    I think that would be interesting, that would certainly mean a lot more people in the United States looking for alternatives to driving. Heck some red neck states could be declared car free zones, in that not one person would still have a licence in 5 years

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    Texas was considering a similar law, only it also required 6 feet for commerical vehicles, trailers, and semis. This was after a lady was killed in a gruesome accident in the state capital. She got clipped by a trailer at an exit, then went under another car that fled the scene. From what I read she was a fairly well known advocate in Austin, training for MS150, but she was on a real busy street. Unfortunately, I have heard nothing else about it. I guess I need to write my rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monoborracho
    Texas was considering a similar law, only it also required 6 feet for commerical vehicles, trailers, and semis. This was after a lady was killed in a gruesome accident in the state capital. She got clipped by a trailer at an exit, then went under another car that fled the scene. From what I read she was a fairly well known advocate in Austin, training for MS150, but she was on a real busy street. Unfortunately, I have heard nothing else about it. I guess I need to write my rep.
    Trailers are so dangerous, especially when they are wider then the vehicles pulling them.

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    I think three feet is adquate in most instances. As for the second part: (2) truck drivers and others have been doing that for years and years--it used to be illegal, but it's a good way to let the overtaking vehicle know that it's safe to retake the lane.

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