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Old 08-08-06, 11:29 AM   #1
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They're not cagers!

They are motorists.
They are drivers.
They are truckers.
They are people.

They are not trapped in a cage. Some people actually LIKE driving. Some drivers actually ride bikes. Stop categorizing everyone who is in a vehicle as a homocidal maniac trapped in a cage.

Thank you. Have a nice day!
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They are motorists.
They are drivers.
They are truckers.
They are people.

They are not trapped in a cage. Some people actually LIKE driving. Some drivers actually ride bikes. Stop categorizing everyone who is in a vehicle as a homocidal maniac trapped in a cage.

Thank you. Have a nice day!

Fair enough... now can they stop treating us as some sort of "suicidal maniac" on two wheels?
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Old 08-08-06, 11:39 AM   #3
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True dat yo

While we are at it, I am not white. I am color challenged. Wait....isn't white a color?
um....... I am not a cyclist. I ride a bike with two pedals. Thus, I am a bipedalist.
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A car is a big metal box on wheels with locks...ontologically speaking there's nothing that should prevent it from being called a cage.

the funny thing is that its one of the few cages people willingly get into and out of.

I don't think the term imples people are trapped in vehicles they don't like driving (give me an open road with little traffic and I'll have an instant smile on my face regardless of the vehicle I'm controlling), rather the sociological trap that the automotive system represents.

whether you like driving or not, you have to admit that the road setup of most cities is not conducive to using any other method without some limitation of freedom or safety, and therein lies the reason for definining it as a cage.
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They are motorists.
They are drivers.
They are truckers.
They are people.

They are not trapped in a cage. Some people actually LIKE driving. Some drivers actually ride bikes. Stop categorizing everyone who is in a vehicle as a homocidal maniac trapped in a cage.

Thank you. Have a nice day!
Its really simple. Cagers are @ssholes who drive cars like idiots, and for purposes of this board, who endanger cyclists. Not all car drivers are cagers, there are some drivers that drive very well and respect bicyclists.

And don't tell me what terms I can or cannot use.
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They are motorists.
They are drivers.
They are truckers.
They are people.

They are not trapped in a cage. Some people actually LIKE driving. Some drivers actually ride bikes. Stop categorizing everyone who is in a vehicle as a homocidal maniac trapped in a cage.

Thank you. Have a nice day!
spoken like a true cager apologist

maybe we'd have different names for them if it weren't for this ****ing filter.
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Old 08-08-06, 12:50 PM   #7
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Its really simple. Cagers are @ssholes who drive cars like idiots, and for purposes of this board, who endanger cyclists. Not all car drivers are cagers, there are some drivers that drive very well and respect bicyclists.

And don't tell me what terms I can or cannot use.
The thing is, that description could fit some cyclists as well as some motorists. It's the attitude of the person, not their chosen vehicle. Some people are thoughtful and courteous regardless of the vehicle they're operating. And some people are violent, self-centered, inconsiderate *******s no matter what vehicle they're operating.











3, 2, 1.... And now the apologists chime in: "But cyclists aren't driving 3000 pound killer machines..."
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Just thought I'd throw in that the automakers themselves refer to the structures as cages. http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...ures/cage.html
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Old 08-08-06, 12:52 PM   #9
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And don't tell me what terms I can or cannot use.
And where did I say what you can or cannot use?

I am just stating MY opinion that wide sweeping negative generalizations are overly simplistic and false. There appears to be too much 'us against them' mentality. Perhaps if we tried to understand the issues instead of chalking them up to the evil cagers, we might make some progress.

Think of the thousands of cars you interact with. What percentage actually cause you a problem? It is miniscule. But because those incidents make their mark on our memory, we tend to think EVERY driver is a maniac.
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Just thought I'd throw in that the automakers themselves refer to the structures as cages.]
Good one! Though, the cage is only a part of the vehicle. They also refer to knee bolsters, air bags, and seat belts.
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Chill. Car drivers are surrounded by a cage. (As contrasted with cyclists, who are surrounded by nothing but the air.)

"Cager" is perfectly descriptive. If it's gained a negative or perjorative connotation, so be it.
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**** it, from now on they're knee bolsterers

edit: i think slowandsteady actually has a good point. i think of all motorists as perfectly nice people and behave on the road as if each one were personally trying to kill me (a survival skill in southeast washington dc). it is good for all of us to keep those two, non mutually exclusive mindsets separate.

this, however, is among other things a place to vent. so i say call em what you want, but dont let your frustration get to you to the point that you put yourself in danger of a road raging knee bolsterer.

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There appears to be too much 'us against them' mentality.
And the victim mentality. Don't forget the victim mentality.
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Chill. Car drivers are surrounded by a cage. (As contrasted with cyclists, who are surrounded by nothing but the air.)

"Cager" is perfectly descriptive. If it's gained a negative or perjorative connotation, so be it.
It helps perpetuate the "us and them" mentality that permeates this forum.
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Air baggers.
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Air baggers.
That's much better. Then, when in the interests of safety air bags are mandated for bicycles, we will all be one people again...
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Chill. Car drivers are surrounded by a cage. (As contrasted with cyclists, who are surrounded by nothing but the air.)

"Cager" is perfectly descriptive. If it's gained a negative or perjorative connotation, so be it.
Some cyclists are surrounded by an aura of self-rightousness indignation as well as paranoia when it comes to dealing with the rest of society. Wacky counterproductive ranting is perfectly descriptive of the bombastic "anti-cager" rhetoric of some BF posters. If it gives a negative or perjorative connotation to bicycling advocacy, so be it, eh?
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A car is a big metal box on wheels with locks...ontologically speaking there's nothing that should prevent it from being called a cage.
I've been thinking about this subject for a while, and it seems to me that if a car is a cage, then our homes aren't much more. Many people in my part of Florida never open their windows, and now a small percentage have their hurricane shutters up (while they live inside) for the duration of hurricane season.

You'll get no argument from me about cars being potential cages, but I would say that anyone who rushes into their energy sucking, climate controlled personal prison after a bike ride ought to re-examine or expand their thinking.
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They are motorists.
They are drivers.
They are truckers.
They are people.

They are not trapped in a cage. Some people actually LIKE driving. Some drivers actually ride bikes. Stop categorizing everyone who is in a vehicle as a homocidal maniac trapped in a cage.

Thank you. Have a nice day!
But I just coined my new phrase for certain cyclists who give us all a bad name - COBs - Cagers on Bikes.
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Its really simple. Cagers are @ssholes who drive cars like idiots, and for purposes of this board, who endanger cyclists. Not all car drivers are cagers, there are some drivers that drive very well and respect bicyclists.

And don't tell me what terms I can or cannot use.
COBs are idiots who ride bikes like @ssholes....Thanks for defending my right to use terms of my choosing.
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Others being your home, workplace and local bike shop.

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A car is a big metal box on wheels with locks...ontologically speaking there's nothing that should prevent it from being called a cage.

the funny thing is that its one of the few cages people willingly get into and out of.

I don't think the term imples people are trapped in vehicles they don't like driving (give me an open road with little traffic and I'll have an instant smile on my face regardless of the vehicle I'm controlling), rather the sociological trap that the automotive system represents.

whether you like driving or not, you have to admit that the road setup of most cities is not conducive to using any other method without some limitation of freedom or safety, and therein lies the reason for definining it as a cage.
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But I just coined my new phrase for certain cyclists who give us all a bad name - COBs - Cagers on Bikes.
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COBs are idiots who ride bikes like @ssholes....Thanks for defending my right to use terms of my choosing.
I thought this post was about cagers, who are by definition car drivers. So while you may be very amused with your own wit in coming up with COB, I fail to see the relevance to this post.
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I thought this post was about cagers, who are by definition car drivers. So while you may be very amused with your own wit in coming up with COB, I fail to see the relevance to this post.
Actually, the premise of the thread is that they're not cagers, they're people. If the basis for calling them cagers is their attitude while operating a motor vehicle, then a derogatory term for the same personality type on a bicycle is entirely relevant to the thread.

In any event, I prefer this definition of cager:

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A car is a big metal box on wheels with locks...ontologically speaking there's nothing that should prevent it from being called a cage.

the funny thing is that its one of the few cages people willingly get into and out of.

I don't think the term imples people are trapped in vehicles they don't like driving (give me an open road with little traffic and I'll have an instant smile on my face regardless of the vehicle I'm controlling), rather the sociological trap that the automotive system represents.

whether you like driving or not, you have to admit that the road setup of most cities is not conducive to using any other method without some limitation of freedom or safety, and therein lies the reason for definining it as a cage.
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wow, krazygluon and i have strikingly similar usernames, although his (or hers) is more clever. good to see another physics geek around though.
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