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Old 08-08-06, 06:20 PM   #1
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Not sure how I feel about this one.

http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/...sp?NewsID=1670

I know a long time ago towns & cities used to require bicycle registration & charged a fee for it. I do not know if the funds went to improving roadways or anythng like that. I do not know why a fee was even charged except to maybe pay city hall for filing the paperwork when you registered your bike. I do not know if there was a penalty if you did not register your bike. I do know you can still register your bike for free in case it is stolen. Every fire station will do it or you can do so at the police station.

I don't know if cyclists should be made to register our bikes for the reasons stated here. If we do does that mean we will need a liscense to operate a bike or will our motor vehicle operator liscens suffice?

I am not even sure how successful it would be. It may cost more to impliment & maintain such a thing then the money it would generate.

Take the area I live for example. Sioux City has about 85,000 people. Of that many maybe 100 to 200 of us adults ride bike on a regular & serious basis on the roadways. Let's say the annual fee for bike registration would be $5. It would only generate at most $1,000 a year from this area. Not a lot when you think about it in the grand scheme of things.

As far as the trails are concerned. There are already some trails where a usage fee is required. It is controlled & governed by the conservation dept's. responsible for that section of the trail. Or the DNR. As far as I know the money goes toward maintaining the trail.

I also think there are certain trails that have a donation box.

I get the feeling the person who submitted the opinion thinks cyclists do not pay taxes. She could not be more wrong. A lot of us have jobs-income tax, we own cars-gas tax, sales tax, registration, etc. We own property-property tax. Some of the funding that pays for roadways & trails does come out fo some of these taxes that cyclists also pay along with everyone else.

What do you think about having to register our bikes to help pay for the roadways & trails we use?
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Old 08-08-06, 07:30 PM   #2
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Funny you should ask, I feel strongly here, IF the roads were built to accomodate bicycles I would be ok to register and pay taxes. BUT here in Utah, we have signs banning anythiing but motor vehicles, Our roads here are made for motorvehicles, and they pay the taxes.
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It's creeping fascism, along with national identity cards and video cameras on every corner. There is no need to license and or tax cyclists. Compared to the lethality of a poorly driven car, bikes are nothing. Nor do they do much road damage either. As far as off road trails go, we shouldn't have to pay fees for public lands at all. If the current level of taxation isn't enough to support free access to our national heritage, then take some of that money away from the military/industrial complex or the tax breaks to big business. On the other hand, if an individual or group wants to buy land, build trails, and charge access, then I say, hooray! Go for it. (If it weren't for the boyscouts, who charge $5 to ride on the trails at Tamarancho in Marin County, California, there wouldn't be ANY decent single track in this supposed birthplace of mountain biking).
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Funny you should ask, I feel strongly here, IF the roads were built to accomodate bicycles I would be ok to register and pay taxes. BUT here in Utah, we have signs banning anythiing but motor vehicles, Our roads here are made for motorvehicles, and they pay the taxes.
What roadways are these? Interstates & other divided 4 lanes with a minimum posted limits or does this also include county & state hwy's that do not have a min. posted limit? If there are no min. posted limits why are bicycles banned? What is the state's or other governing body reason for it?
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I remember bike plates. One town I used to live in asked to fill out a $5/yr registration per bike. In exchange, they installed a sticker on the downtube, where visible looking down at it, and a metal band on the seatpost.

The band was the reg#, and the sticker was proof of renewal. Pretty much they asked for it to make sure who's bike it was, in event they had to have it moved, posession dispute, someone found it, etc.

The $5/yr was too small to care about, plus the program was for the most part optional.
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Registration is a requirement in Honolulu. From what I have been told the police will confinscate your bike on the spot if it is not registered. As someone who will be visiting in a few months this concerns me. Then I found out I need to show proof I am a visitor. Won't be a problem I always carry my driver liscense on me. I might just register it anyway as a souvenier to say I registered my bike in Hawaii in accordance with the law. As a tourist it may be kind fo cool.
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Completely against it. Just another way to squeeze money out of the taxpayers (to line the pockets of public officials), not to mention a damn sticker to screw your seattube paint up. (What ever happened to stamped steel tags to hang off the saddle?)

I can just see the C&V collector fellows exploding at this. Can you imagine registering 50+ bikes? I bet half of them would strangle every public official in their county before putting a registration sticker on their '78 Eddy Merekx.

On the subject:

One of the local rail transit services in the area requires a registration sticker for bringing your machine aboard. They suggest the sticker to be mounted on the headtube, seattube, or handlebars.

I affixed mine to a piece of styrene plastic, which was in turn mounted onto a strap originally intended for mounting a small rear taillight on the seattube. I can switch it onto, and off any of the bikes in my fleet, and remove it after I disembark. Works beautifully.

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Old 08-09-06, 05:43 AM   #8
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The City of Charleston, SC used to require registration. If you got caught without one, the officer could issue you one with a citiation of $75. They caught me round about 1994 with this scam when I visited my brother in collage there. They didn't care if you were a vistor or not, you had to have that sticker to ride around Charleston.
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As with all government 'licenses' it's a revenue generator. Not so much in the enforcement of the process, but in the penalties for failure to comply.

There are all kinds of supporting arguements and validations for both POV's. It's really a matter of personal choice wether to comply and reap any percived rewards or not and suffer any potential penalties.

You gotta decide for yourself.
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I now think it should be voluntary with no penalty for not complying. About 18 months ago Sioux City opened upa new off leash dog park. It is a great place to take your dog & let it run off its leash with other dogs. The larger section is for all dogs while the smaller area os for puppies & small dogs who do not like being around the big ones. There are rules, one of which is no aggressive dogs. I have yet to see an aggressive dog there. The dogs all get along great as do the owners. It is a great place to make new friends for everyone, man & dog alike.

While the planning for this park was being done there was discussion about whether or not to charge a required fee. It was decided for those that wish to people can pay an annual fee of $10.00 to support the park on a voluntary basis. I have gladly done so. This is in addition to what I pay to liscense my dog per the city ordinance every year. I want to support the dog park.

I think what I will do is advocate to have a voluntary fee of say $10.00 a year for the use of the local trail system. If people do this they will get some sort of recognition, like a sticker for their bike or something. I will advocate that people can do this at city hall which is downtown, at the Sgt Floyd Museum & Lewis & Clark Interpritive Center which is right off of the trail & at both bike shops.
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I think a voluntary approach is what is needed. IF the money went to cleaning up bike lanes and road edges I would even think about supporting it ;p

However, I can not in all honesty ever see me attach any kind of license plate to any of my bikes. It is just too 1970's cereal box prizish for me.... A sticker, ok, a plate, not a hope. It is bad enough being forced to put a bell on a road bike that never ever under any circumstances sees a place where it can even be heard.

Picture someone who races with a cheese ball plate on their race bike....
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"Masonry aims at the promotion of morality and higher living by the cultivation of the social side of man, the rousing in him of the instincts of charity and love of his kind. It rests surely on the foundation of the brotherhood of man and the fatherhood of God. -William Howard Taft" from N C
Off topic, but Masonry (AF&AM, F&AM) still doesn't allow those of African decent. Too bad.
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"Masonry aims at the promotion of morality and higher living by the cultivation of the social side of man, the rousing in him of the instincts of charity and love of his kind. It rests surely on the foundation of the brotherhood of man and the fatherhood of God. -William Howard Taft" from N C
Off topic, but Masonry (AF&AM, F&AM) still doesn't allow those of African decent. Too bad.
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You're wrong, we do allow any male to join regardless of his ethnicity. If you want to discuss this further we should do so by pm'ng each other. Or debate it in the Politics & Religion forum. You choose & I'll discuss it with you. I'd like to know why you're a former Mason. But not here, pm me or direct me to the P&R forum room.
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We have black Masons and white Masons, but they're segragated.
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Why should I, as a taxpayer, be expected to pay for trails only bikers have access to? They need to start paying their fair share for use of the city- and state-sponsored trails.
We should also charge a registration fee for shoes. After all, why should motorists and cyclists have to pay for sidewalks and footpaths that they don't have access to?

Paths are recreational facilities that deserve taxpayer support just like parks and playgrounds.
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DD, please let's not discuss this here. We can pm one another or discuss this topic in the P&R forum. Let me know if you'd like to continue talking about it, debating it, what ever, I'd be more then happy to talk about it, just not here.
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In my city bike registration is required, but ive never heard of anyone getting a ticket for an unregistered bike. Its a small one time only fee, and you get the sticker for your bike. Its free registration during bike to work week. The city people say they want everyone to register thier bike, so they have an accurate count of how many bikes there are in the city. If there are a lot, they will spend the money to improve bike paths and make bike lanes, and put more bike racks in. Same thing with registering your dog, except the city will make dog parks, and so on. Although its pretty obvious there are many bikes in my city, since there is a major University, and the city is only about 7-8 miles wide. The bike racks are all packed with bikes, and bikes hooked up to trees and light posts, everything possible to lock a bike to.

I dont know what my city spends the bike registration money on, the bike paths are mostly horrendous, and most of the few bike lanes are so tiny they are not useable.
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What roadways are these? Interstates & other divided 4 lanes with a minimum posted limits or does this also include county & state hwy's that do not have a min. posted limit? If there are no min. posted limits why are bicycles banned? What is the state's or other governing body reason for it?

Freeways, and major higways have these signs only.
Other major east/west bound roads don't ban cycles but there is no shoulder room and the traffic is moving over 45mph.
Salt Lake City has made a fair attempt to accomodate cyclists, West Valley City has one or two bike lanes in all but Taylorsville has no provision for bike commuting, and grater Salt Lake County makes great effort for biking as recreation but does not take it serious as a commuting method.
What I would like to see is an some campaining for more bike racks on busses and trains, example, we got trains going north and south for miles with very limited east /west, if they were equiped with bike racks, folks could then bike the east/west lesser distance.
I have asked the users of the rail system, sure they have place for 2 bikes, well thats not a good chance there will be room for mine, so the bike stays home.
Utah is a very well equiped Mountain Bike State, you can ride a road bike, if your tough enough.
I do also wished that State and Local govs could come together on bike laws, so far they conflict each other.
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For the most part, The general population does not take cycling as a serious method of commuting.
Its hard to change our old ways.
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We should also charge a registration fee for shoes. After all, why should motorists and cyclists have to pay for sidewalks and footpaths that they don't have access to?

Paths are recreational facilities that deserve taxpayer support just like parks and playgrounds.

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Interesting discussion. Did you know that in NC one doesn't even have to register a 35mph max scooter, which like bicycles, are allowed on the road?
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