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Old 09-13-06, 05:56 PM   #1
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Blatant stop sign running senior cager !

*sign*

I caught this guy red handed..... I was visiting my mom after a long ride, and on the way out, I move from the parking lot toward the intersection which is a " T " with a stop sign on all 3 sides. They have been there for years, and are all clearly visible.

A black toyota matrix approaches the intersection in the same direction I am going and blows the stop sign completely, doesn't even tap the brakes.

I catch him 3 blocks ahead at a major intersection (red light, he was in left turning lane just like I was). The driver appears to be a senior citizen ,with a very elderly looking wife in the passenger seat ( this is a mostly senior-only area that I was in, Hallandale Beach Florida).

Here is what happened next:

me: knock on the passenger side window
passenger: pulls down window 3 inches.
me: I say "sir, you blew the stop sign back there"
driver says: " I didn't see a stop sign, it was turned sideways "
me: so you knew it was there and you blew it anyway?
driver: F_ck you, you homosexual. then gives me the finger, rolls up window)
me: sticks tongue out of mouth and holds it there.
driver: keeps giving me the finger behind the dark tinted glass.
me: stick tongue out yet again.
driver: opens glove box and appears to be pulling out something...
me: moved backwards a few feet... if he was pulling out a gun, he'd have to shoot through his wifes head to hit me...
me: I take a picture of his tag..... here it is.

Thanks for reading. I hope you don't ever have to meet this nasty little old man.


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Old 09-13-06, 06:18 PM   #2
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I love that "homosexual" tag... jeeze where do folks get this whole idea.

No one objects to seeing their favorite football or baseball player in tight sport specific clothing. (I hear some women watch games just for that reason)

Cyclists ride in the streets... so that is where they are going to wear their sport specific clothing.

It has nothing to do with sex, so where in the heck does this concept even come from?

Oh the other hand, when I was younger, I rather enjoyed the whistles and cat calls of women motorists. GRIN
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Hey I caught a cyclist doing the same yesterday. I was in the back of a car as a group of us came back from lunch. Told the driver to match the cyclists speed. It was just like being in a support vehicle for a race.

Caught up to the cyclist and in a very friendly way, and in a clear tone of voice, I told him: "Don't forget to stop for the red ones too." Then handed him my bicycle law card... the one that outlines the CA laws pertaining to cyclists.

He put the card in his jersey pocket and gave a friendly wave.
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I was not wearing cycling gear. I was in regular shorts and a t-shirt that said " share the road " on the back....

I was wearing shades and a skate-style helmet..... =)

Tony Hawk Edition. =)
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I was not wearing cycling gear. I was in regular shorts and a t-shirt that said " share the road " on the back....

I was wearing shades and a skate-style helmet..... =)

Tony Hawk Edition. =)
Even more odd.
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Homosexual? That's not the least bit clever. I would've given him some points if he tried a little, maybe turd burglar or something. But that's just lazy.

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Homosexual? That's not the least bit clever. I would've given him some points if he tried a little, maybe turd burglar or something. But that's just lazy.

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When you are 79 years old, it doesn't really matter what you come up with.... lol

My dad is 79 years old.. yeah, I was born when he was 50. Sheesh !!!!!!!! Talk about an " accident " ... lol
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You should've taken out the camera and given us a shot of the guy as well as the car.
As it is, great pic of the car.
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Old 09-13-06, 07:45 PM   #9
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You should've taken out the camera and given us a shot of the guy as well as the car.
As it is, great pic of the car.
That would be quite hard to do with a gun pointed at my face.. lol =)

He made a turn into the supermarket (publix) just after the left turn, I resisted following him in .........

I am still alive to discuss this thread with you
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You stuck your tongue out at him???
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blow the next one a kiss
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You're calm and an inspiration.

On occasion when I see someone blatently breaking a law--not just breaking, but actually endengaring others--I feel like pounding them in the face while stating the obvious, if laws don't apply, don't look at them to protect you.
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That's so sad. To live in the closet like that for 80 years or so, married to a secret lesbian all these years. Cut him some slack.
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I am unsure about calling the police and reporting this.

I have never called the police for something like this before.

What do I say to get a report filed?
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The police won't care.
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The police won't care.
Even so, I say you should still file a report. At least it'll go on record that YOU care. The police won't start caring about these things until enough people tell them to.
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What kind of camera do you use when riding? Good job on taking the pic. Though be careful there are those here who are strictly opposed to it despite the reasons behind it. I think you were justified in doing what you did. Thanks for the warning. I have printed the picture & will take it with me when I ride in Florida in a few years. Because he did nothing more then verbally assault you I do not think there is any legal recourse for you, except to report his running the stop sign to the police, which I recommend you do & give them the pic. of his plate.
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You're calm and an inspiration.

On occasion when I see someone blatently breaking a law--not just breaking, but actually endengaring others--I feel like pounding them in the face while stating the obvious, if laws don't apply, don't look at them to protect you.
I confront people like that all the time. Most times people are simply defensive and somewhat irrational. I don't argue with them, and I'm not interested in thier lies or excuses. I simply ask them nicely to relax and behave. I don't argue and I don't get upset. I don't know if it makes any diffference. But it seems like if we all accept this ridiculous behaviour then we're saying it's ok.

I did get in a fistfight with a dumptruck driver that was doing about 60 through a 25mph school zone while talking on the phone.

I'm so tired of people not paying attention and costing other people thier lives.

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What kind of camera do you use when riding? Good job on taking the pic. Though be careful there are those here who are strictly opposed to it despite the reasons behind it. I think you were justified in doing what you did. Thanks for the warning. I have printed the picture & will take it with me when I ride in Florida in a few years. Because he did nothing more then verbally assault you I do not think there is any legal recourse for you, except to report his running the stop sign to the police, which I recommend you do & give them the pic. of his plate.

I just used my cell phone camera, its a motorola phone.

I called the local PD (non-emergency #) in that city and they would not take a report over the phone. The lady told me that I would have to go back to the scene, and then call the emergency # again to have an officer dispatched to take a report. She said that they will take a report if I use that method.

If I have time, I may just do that this afternoon.
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I confront people like that all the time. Most times people are simply defensive and somewhat irrational. I don't argue with them, and I'm not interested in thier lies or excuses. I simply ask them nicely to relax and behave. I don't argue and I don't get upset. I don't know if it makes any diffference. But it seems like if we all accept this ridiculous behaviour then we're saying it's ok.

I did get in a fistfight with a dumptruck driver that was doing about 60 through a 25mph school zone while talking on the phone.

I'm so tired of people not paying attention and costing other people thier lives.

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Who kicked who's ass when you fought the truck driver? In other words who won the fight? I hope you did.
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I just used my cell phone camera, its a motorola phone.

I called the local PD (non-emergency #) in that city and they would not take a report over the phone. The lady told me that I would have to go back to the scene, and then call the emergency # again to have an officer dispatched to take a report. She said that they will take a report if I use that method.

If I have time, I may just do that this afternoon.
Then do so. At the very least it will be on record just make sure you have a printed version pic of the plate you took. I would also download the pic to your computer hardrive & keep it. Who knows maybe this guy goes through that intersection often & he is a repeat offender at running the stop sign.

I may be reading to much into this, but it is also possible he saw you, a cyclist, & blew the stop sign as a result. Then when you confronted him he reacted the way he did as a result of that. What did his wife say or do when he was mouthing off to you & you stuck your tongue at him?

Does Florida have a state bicycle advocacy group? How about a local one? I ask because you may be able to post this on a web site & make it public. If there is not an advocacy group I would use this incident to start a local one. Citing the story behind the creation as this incident. Put his plate number on the site for all to see.

I would also spend the money at the DMV to find who this guy is & get his driving record. Maybe his record will show incidents proving this is not an isolated thing. As long as you pay the fee it is public record. From there you will have his address or access to it. Ride up & down his street if you can. Form a protest & a parade with other cyclists on your bikes in front of his house on the public road because of the way he drives. This is all legal provided you follow the guidelines for doing so & no harm can come to this person as a result. It is not stalking, it is a concerned citizen taking action against a bad driver legally.
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Even so, I say you should still file a report
Not that the driver isn't a jacka$$, and not that I'm defending him, but what exactly should the OP report? The cops don't have the time or inclination to investigate every alleged traffic infraction (which is what this is), and filing a report in this case won't add anything to the record of the car driver. Even if the OP says that he felt threatened by an old guy moving around in his own vehicle, the driver may well tell the cops that he, an elderly man out with his equally aged wife, was accosted by some psycho bicyclist.
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I love that "homosexual" tag... jeeze where do folks get this whole idea.
I was riding on my fixie one day, wearing a nice set of Oakley MTB shorts and a loose fitting, plain, 3/4 sleeve jersey.

I notice a van pacing me.

I look over at the van to find some dude staring at me with a big grin.

"******!" he yells at me, and hits the gas.

I couldn't do anything but laugh.
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Not that the driver isn't a jacka$$, and not that I'm defending him, but what exactly should the OP report? The cops don't have the time or inclination to investigate every alleged traffic infraction (which is what this is), and filing a report in this case won't add anything to the record of the car driver. Even if the OP says that he felt threatened by an old guy moving around in his own vehicle, the driver may well tell the cops that he, an elderly man out with his equally aged wife, was accosted by some psycho bicyclist.
I think the issue is not the driver's moral failings, but that he may no longer be fit to drive. In some states, the authorities take reports relating to this quite seriously. Example -- my father once backed over a curb while visiting my mother in a nursing home. The director of the home contacted the Motor Vehicle Administration, and my father had his driving privlages suspended pending a retest.

It worked out quite well for my Dad. The officer asked him to back up, remaining close to, and parallel with, the curb. He proceeded to travel about a half block in reverse, maintaining a constant distance from the within about a half inch. The officer was astonished. Needless to say, my father kept his licence. Dad continued to drive for several more years until he voluntarily gave it up as he approached 80.

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I went back to the scene, I called the non-emergency police # and had a unit come by. It was a public service aide. I explained everything that happened, showed him the pic of the tag. He tried to convince me not to bother with a report because the cops will not follow up on him.

Also, he car was registered to his wife, and they live in Lakeland Florida, they are just down here visiting or on vacation or something... who knows.

He took down the info and promised to look around for the car and if he sees it he'll pull them over and check them out but ohh well....

I explained to him that I was not trying to go after the guy and that I just wanted to have a report of some kind.. so after the 5th time that he said that it was pointless to file a report I just let it go and said thanks and went on my way.... He said that if I would have called it in when it happened, they would have put a BOLO out on him and pulled him over... what I should have done in that case was to follow him into the supermarket when he made the turn and then call the cops.. ohh well.

Pointless waste of time.
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