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Old 09-18-06, 03:41 PM   #1
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Here is the info on the course I am taking on Sept. 23.

http://www.bikeleague.org/cogs/progr...rse_detail/897
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Old 09-18-06, 04:05 PM   #2
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from the description:
"Structured around the adult rider's needs."

I know it's probably not their intention, but that phrase implies that the needs of adult and youth riders not only can but *do* differ somehow, and based around the rider's age. Future listings for this course should have this sort of language excised, especially considering the intentions of what they're pushing, don't you think so?

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Old 09-18-06, 04:20 PM   #3
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The main distinction between adults and youth riders it that most adults have a driver's license and know the rules of the road for vehicle drivers. Youth cyclists do not.

So for adult cyclists is more about how the rules of the road different for drivers of narrow slow moving vehicles, and how that affects how you ride a bicycle in traffic.

With youth, you have to start more from scratch.
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I wonder if it easier to teach youth's vs. adults. Kid's have not developed bad habits yet as adults have. They are more impressionable then adults.
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Old 09-18-06, 06:26 PM   #5
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The main distinction between adults and youth riders it that most adults have a driver's license and know the rules of the road for vehicle drivers.
I wouldn't liken having a driver's license to mean much of anything in terms of actually knowing the rules of the road, but rather just proof that one can take and pass a series of tests which legally grant the individual the right to operate an automobile. I never bothered getting my license (parents said, "you need your own car, gas, and insurance, and you need to pay for it yourself", which was an unrealistic prospect for me at the time; a few years later, I moved out of the sticks and into a major city), and yet I learned most of the basics of rules for vehicular traffic because of a driver training course the high school I went to required for all students (on-the-road training was separate).

The point: a license is not a requirement for knowing the rules, nor is it a guarantee of such. If the distinction you're suggesting (most adults have licenses and thus know the rules of the road) is the one intended by the person who wrote the course description, it's even more flawed than I first thought. That's not to detract from the contents of the course (nor does it, however, get a free pass), but just an observation as a moderately-curious individual examining what the course seems to be offering specifically.
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Old 09-18-06, 07:06 PM   #6
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ThatWhichRolls, I should have said most adults know the rules of the road for vehicle drivers well enough to have a driver's license and be able to drive safely in accordance with them. Most youth (15 and under, especially under 13) do not know the rules of the road for vehicle drivers as well.
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Old 09-18-06, 07:21 PM   #7
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ThatWhichRolls, I should have said most adults know the rules of the road for vehicle drivers well enough to have a driver's license and be able to drive safely in accordance with them. Most youth (15 and under, especially under 13) do not know the rules of the road for vehicle drivers as well.
Way to call for semantic saving throws!

Honestly, I'm less concerned about what you said specifically than I am the notion that this particular course offering makes the assumption that adults -even license-bearing adults- know the rules of the road very well by default. Granted, it's probably ridiculous to start from absolute zero, but shouldn't there at least be some sort of a refresher on the basics, especially considering that most of the basic in-traffic bicycling maneuvers are executed in much the same way as comparable maneuvers in a motor vehicle? Additionally, is there an offering for adults who haven't gotten a license and who have had little to no road rules training, or is it expected that they endure the potential humiliation of taking a class including the relevant training with a bunch of kids just because they're in the extreme minority?
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I could actually see a more mature kid being moved up into the 'Adult' oriented class instead of the other way around. Instincts of the student play a big part in the training and this allows the instructor to customize the lesson plan to the attendees.
Although it would be pretty funny to see a group of 8 year olds picking on a adult...
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I could actually see a more mature kid being moved up into the 'Adult' oriented class instead of the other way around. Instincts of the student play a big part in the training and this allows the instructor to customize the lesson plan to the attendees.
Excellent observation. If one's shelling out for such a class, it had damned well better be tailored to the group and not just be a rote series of howtos.

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Although it would be pretty funny to see a group of 8 year olds picking on a adult...
That would have to be a standard sitcom episode in the Cycling Utopia alternate dimension...though what would be the "very special" episodes?
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