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Old 09-19-06, 06:28 AM   #1
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It's ordered.

I ordered Effective Cycling by John Forester yesterday from Barnes & Noble. I know I could have purchased it from sites such as Amazon.com, etc. But I prefere to support my local economy by buying from retailers here even if it is a higher price. Plus 9 times out of 10 if I order it online there is shipping & handeling which equals the same if not more as if I purchase it locally. Through Barnes & Noble S&H is free if I have it shipped to the store & pick it up there which is what I always do when I order a book.
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If you wanted to do some good you would go to a independent book store
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You bought a book? Good for you!

I bought a breakfast sandwitch and a candy bar.
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http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/misc/faq.html


Q: Where is the company based?
A: New York, NY.
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Q: Where is the company based?
A: New York, NY.
I'm still supporting my local economy by purchasing from my local store.

The company I work for is based out of Denver, Co. But because we are in 14 states the revenue generated helps the 14 states & the towns & cities our services are available in. It doesn't just benefit Denver.
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"Effective Cycling" changed the way I think. It has probably had a greater effect on me than any other book I've read. Of course, from your reputation on this forum, N_C, it might not matter too much to you. But this book was the first place I heard of vehicular cycling and it made me realize that I could go whereever I wanted. I wasn't restricted to little roads around my house.

It also has a bunch of insane stuff about modifying your bike and building accessories that is way beyond my technical expertise. I remember there being a section on how to modify your Shraeder valves so that they work like Presta valves.
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"Effective Cycling" changed the way I think. It has probably had a greater effect on me than any other book I've read. Of course, from your reputation on this forum, N_C, it might not matter too much to you. But this book was the first place I heard of vehicular cycling and it made me realize that I could go whereever I wanted. I wasn't restricted to little roads around my house.

It also has a bunch of insane stuff about modifying your bike and building accessories that is way beyond my technical expertise. I remember there being a section on how to modify your Shraeder valves so that they work like Presta valves.
I do not limit my riding to just around my house or neighbor hood. Especially on my commute home form work. IT is 14.3 miles & goes through everything from an industrial area with heavy commercial truck traffic, speed limit of 35 mph to residential areas where the speed limit is only 25 mph. I alreadu know I can ride anywhere there is no minimum posted limit.
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I ordered Effective Cycling by John Forester yesterday from Barnes & Noble. I know I could have purchased it from sites such as Amazon.com, etc. But I prefere to support my local economy by buying from retailers here even if it is a higher price. Plus 9 times out of 10 if I order it online there is shipping & handeling which equals the same if not more as if I purchase it locally. Through Barnes & Noble S&H is free if I have it shipped to the store & pick it up there which is what I always do when I order a book.
Get Hurst's "The Art of Urban Cycling."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076...593645?ie=UTF8

While Forester may have been one of the first to write down what he observed experienced cyclists were doing... the book EC is rather dated and written with a "heavy pen."

Hurst's book is a much easier read and offers examples of urban situations where even Hurst learned through hard knocks. Hurst recommends riding further to the left too.
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I ordered Effective Cycling by John Forester yesterday from Barnes & Noble. I know I could have purchased it from sites such as Amazon.com, etc. But I prefere to support my local economy by buying from retailers here even if it is a higher price. Plus 9 times out of 10 if I order it online there is shipping & handeling which equals the same if not more as if I purchase it locally. Through Barnes & Noble S&H is free if I have it shipped to the store & pick it up there which is what I always do when I order a book.
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BTW, there is a typo in your sig. 131545181201519 should be 13154518120151819
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N_C--I ordered Effective Cycling by John Forester yesterday


What, you couldn't find any valium??
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Get Hurst's "The Art of Urban Cycling."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076...593645?ie=UTF8

While Forester may have been one of the first to write down what he observed experienced cyclists were doing... the book EC is rather dated and written with a "heavy pen."

Hurst's book is a much easier read and offers examples of urban situations where even Hurst learned through hard knocks. Hurst recommends riding further to the left too.
Own it & have read it. Good book.
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I do not limit my riding to just around my house or neighbor hood. Especially on my commute home form work. IT is 14.3 miles & goes through everything from an industrial area with heavy commercial truck traffic, speed limit of 35 mph to residential areas where the speed limit is only 25 mph. I alreadu know I can ride anywhere there is no minimum posted limit.
I'm sure you do. I'm talking about myself only. I did realize that going more than ten miles from my house was feasible until I read about vehicular cycling.
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I bought a breakfast sandwitch and a candy bar.
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N_C--I ordered Effective Cycling by John Forester yesterday


What, you couldn't find any valium??
+10.

Puts me to sleep, while I also find some parts of it just outlandishly funny.
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You might have been able to check it out of your public library and saved a tree.
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You might have been able to check it out of your public library and saved a tree.
True, but I'd rather own it.
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My, my! The sarcasm is so thick on this post you can cut it with a knife. Very entertaining!
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It's true: even if you do purchase from big box retail, like B&N, a percentage of the sales tax gets kicked back to the city. At least that's how it works around here. So it's always best to shop where you want the tax dollars to end up -- especially if you buy big stuff like a car. I'm behind your consumer decision on this one N_C.
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It's true: even if you do purchase from big box retail, like B&N, a percentage of the sales tax gets kicked back to the city. At least that's how it works around here. So it's always best to shop where you want the tax dollars to end up -- especially if you buy big stuff like a car. I'm behind your consumer decision on this one N_C.
We have a campaign called "Keep the Green in Siouxland" It is asking the people who live here to spend their dollars here to help support & build our economy. For a while people have been driving to Sioux Falls or Omaha for shopping because the stores they want to shop at were not available here. Now they are with the development of the new shopping center & opening of new stores at the existign mall things have greatly improved. The campaign started when the first store opened a few years ago. It also ask people to not shop online & to buy locally instead.
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I bought a breakfast sandwitch and a candy bar.
I read a book! Ain't I special? In fact I finished several books in the past few weeks. I like my fiction to be entertaining.
Maximum Bob, Gunsights, and The Hunted by Elmore Leonard, and Clandestine by James Ellroy. Also listened to the Audio Books of The DaVinci Code by Dan Brown, Black Echo and Angel's Flight by Michael Connelly, and City Primeval and Gold Coast by Elmore Leonard. Makes good use of my time when cycling. All for free from the Public Library.

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A Dan Brown audio book? Phht. About as special as VD at a teenaged summer camp.
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"Effective Cycling" changed the way I think. It has probably had a greater effect on me than any other book I've read. But this book was the first place I heard of vehicular cycling and it made me realize that I could go whereever I wanted. I wasn't restricted to little roads around my house.
I reread it regularly. Great book. It's not the last word though, everyone has their own style. That said, this book helped me develop my riding style, along with "The Art of Urban Cycling", personal experience and many posts on this website.
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Yes ITLB, you certainly are 'special'
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A Dan Brown audio book? Phht. About as special as VD at a teenaged summer camp.
Do tell. Perhaps you read books, rather than listen when you commute?
What do you listen to when commuting? Shakespere? Dickens? Forester? or maybe you prefer Mozart? Car Horns? Or little voices in your ear telling you how clever you are?
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