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    An interesting letter to motorists... from a cyclist.

    First I want to give credit where credit is due... this is not my letter... but a letter from a Toronto cyclist. I don't know who she is... but I like the tone and general message. What do you think.


    I ride my bike year-round as my main means of transportation. My bike is not a toy. I don't aspire to be Lance Armstrong. I'm not too poor to afford a car. I choose a bicycle because its healthier for me, and healthier for the city I live in. I'm not riding in the middle of the lane to slow you down or thwart you. I'm just trying to do the same thing as you - get from point A to point B safely.

    I ride in the middle of the lane if the lane is too narrow to share safely. This is actually a courtesy to you, because you don't have to guess how wide your vehicle is versus how much space is available, and decide if you have to change lanes or not. If the lane next to you is wide open, it really isn't necessary to blast your horn or yell things out your window. Maybe you think there's room for me to be riding in the gutter, but I really have a better view of the pavement there than you do. There's debris there that will flatten my tires, and potholes that can break my bones. If I need to swerve to avoid some garbage someone threw out their car window, I need room to maneouver. Its not going to make either of our days if we collide.

    While we are on the subject of yelling things out the window, your vehicle is loud. Unless we are both stopped at a traffic light, it is unlikely I can make out the words you are saying. Maybe its better to focus your attention on not hitting things that are front of you rather than letting me know "(mumble mumble)...you'll get hit". I also know where the bike paths are, I have a map. But where I'm going is not on the path. Thank you though to the driver that stopped to let me know my headlight made a big difference. It was nice to know it was appreciated.

    I put on lights at night so you can see me. I ride in a predictable line so I don't surprise you by my presence. I don't weave between parked cars so I don't startle you when I emerge from behind one. I'm sorry I didn't move over so you could use the three car-length gap between parked cars as your personal passing lane. In an ideal world I would ride far enough away from your car door that it wouldn't matter if you flung it open when I least expected it. But the downtown streets are very congested and there's not a lot of space available. So please look before you open your door. I try to make it easier for you by ringing my bell if I see you parking so you know I'm there. In limited space world, cyclists are often using the rest of a parking lane. Please try to park as close to the curb as you can.

    You may think riding a bicycle in a downpour or a snowstorm is crazy. Its actually quite pleasant if you're dressed for it. But I don't expect you to "get it". I only expect you to remember that there's still a human being riding a bicycle out there. Flooring it through puddles to make the biggest splash possible is not funny. Passing too close is never a good idea, but in a snowstorm when the roads are slippery, please leave as much space as you can.

    While I may appear to be a very competent cyclist, and you may fancy yourself a very competent driver, its still a good idea to leave at least 3 feet when passing me. While you may not actually brush me when you pass too close, it is still frightening to have 2000 pounds of steel a few inches from your shoulder.

    Some roads have bicycle lanes painted on them. In an ideal world cyclists and motorists should be able to share the roadway without special lines. But after being honked at one too many times for taking a narrow lane, or buzzed too close by attempting to share one, bike lanes become a place of refuge. Please try to have some respect for this refuge by finding a different spot to park your car when you want to run into Starbucks, and definitely do not think of this space as the way to get around a left-turning vehicle.

    Remember that the bike lane is there when you want to turn right, and that there might be a cyclist in it. The lanes are dotted near intersections for a reason, you should merge into this lane when you want to turn right. Note that merge does not mean cut off. You aren't doing me a favour by waiting to turn right while leaving the bike lane open. I will never pass you on the right when you are signalling right, as I have no idea if you see me or not. If you merge, I have room to pass you on the left in your lane of traffic to go straight while you wait for pedestrians crossing etc. If you don't merge, there's no room for me to go around easily.

    Remember those hand turn signals from the drivers education handbook? I try to use them as much as possible to let you know what I'm going to do. While it might seem redundant to signal a stop when approaching a four-way stop, I know that not all people on bicycles stop. The signal is a courtesy to you, so you know that you can proceed because I will stop. Sometimes I need my hands on my bike but you should be able to infer from my lane position what I am going to do. If I am in the left lane of the road it means I am going to turn left. I'm not there to enjoy the scenery. If you want to turn left as well, this means you should wait behind me. Trying to turn left from the right side of the roadway is only going to put us both in conflict.

    I try to make my best guesses what you might do next from your lane position. You can help take out the guesswork. While it may seem that the turn signal has gone out of fashion, I really do appreciate when you use it in advance. This lets me move as best as possible so we don't have any conflict.

    The world will not end if you cannot make a right turn on a red light. If there was a car in front of you, would you honk because you wanted to make a right turn? Because I am small enough to move over to let you do so does not always mean it is safe to do so. If it is safe, and I see you signalling right in my rearview mirror, I will move over and let you go by. Please do not try to squeeze between me in the middle of the lane and the car in the next lane when there clearly is not enough space. Repeatedly leaning on the horn will only get on both of our nerves.

    I can move faster than you think. While you may think a bicycle is too slow to be practical for transportation - in downtown Toronto most of the time, including the time spent to park, I will beat you to your destination. While you were so anxious to pass me, perhaps you didn't notice that I have caught up with you again at the next red light. It isn't a race from red light to red light, so if you need to slow down for a few seconds it isn't the end of the world. Think how much more I would slow you down if I was a full-width car trying to make a left turn onto a side street in busy traffic. If you cannot judge how fast I am moving please err on the side of caution when turning left in front of me, or pulling out of your parking spot. But if in your rearview mirror, you see me waving in the direction you want to move it means I see you and you have time to go.

    I appreciate your kind attempts to let me have the right-of-way when it is not mine. Being on a bicycle its hard losing your momentum again and again at every stop sign. But most of the time its easier if you just go. If you stop to let me cross mid block the car behind you might get surprised and rear-end you.

    I'm sorry if I break the occasional traffic law, which were designed with the dangers inherent in the automobile in mind. I may slow down and scan the intersection rather than come to a complete stop at a four-way stop, because its really hard on me to constantly lose my momentum. I know this is not legal, but its quite safe at bicycle speed. Just as its not legal for you to be going over the speed limit but I doubt you always are obeying it. Please try not to get angry at me about this when I not disrespecting anyone else's right-of-way at the same time. If you are at the cross street, I will stop. Recognize though that I am human and make mistakes. I may have missed the sign that says "caution northbound traffic does not stop" when proceeding at what I thought was a stop sign for both of us. If we both try to be aware of what each other is doing and compensate for it, then mistakes on either of our part do not have to become crashes. Its much more likely I made a mistake if you see me doing something "dangerous" as opposed to having a death wish.

    If you haven't noticed already, there are a whole lot of people riding their bicycles around downtown Toronto. All kinds of people find the bicycle useful. Just as there are drivers deficient in common sense, there are people riding bikes without common sense as well. I don't happen to know the Joe schmoe who you saw riding a bike down the center of a busy one-way arterial in the wrong direction snarling traffic. Please do not assume I'm going to behave like Joe schmoe. Or take your anger at Joe out on me by honking or yelling at me from the other side of the road, where I cannot possibly be in your way. Also be glad Joe was not driving a car where he would be a real danger to everyone.

    I am very aware of my surroundings when I am on a bicycle. I can hear when you are behind me by the sound of your engine. You don't need to toot to let me know you are there. I'm never sure whether you are trying to let me know you are there, trying to say hello to me, wanting me to move, or whether you are just angry.

    I was going to say that in conclusion all I really want is for you to treat me with the same respect you would treat any other road user. But after noticing the frequency with which motorists hit each other, I would add an extra caveat. Please recognize that cyclists are more vulnerable road users. Before you wish them off the road, remember they are helping to ease traffic congestion. When in doubt as to who should go next, let the more vulnerable road user proceed. And keep in mind that leaving space always helps road safety, whether its an extra foot when passing a cyclist, or an extra few feet stopping behind the car in front of you. When we work cooperatively on the roads rather than a mad competition, we can all get where we are going just a little less stressfully.

    Thanks. And thank you to the motorists that already get it. Thank you for waiting before opening your door. Thank you for leaving a safe amount of space when passing. Thank you for waiting patiently behind when it was not safe to pass. Thank you for signalling. Thank you for respecting the speed limit which makes the roads just a little bit saner to be travelling on. Thank you for noticing when I made a mistake and avoiding a collision. Thank you for slowing to let me in when I stuck out my arm because I wanted to move into the left turn lane. Thank you for not using your horn when it was not necessary. Thank you for all the little ways that you cooperate.
    From http://crazybikerchick.blogspot.com/...might-not.html

    BTW anybody know her? Tell her that her material is here now too. One of the things that really hits home to me is the desire for cooperation on the roadway... safe simple sharing.

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    Where was the letter submitted to? A newspaper or a motoring club? How will motorists read it if they do not have easy access to it?Posting it in her blog will not get it out to the public unless the public is aware of her blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    Where was the letter submitted to? A newspaper or a motoring club? How will motorists read it if they do not have easy access to it?Posting it in her blog will not get it out to the public unless the public is aware of her blog.
    Very true... I am thinking of some slight modifications and then sending it to the local paper. Perhaps we can all do something like that locally. What did you think of it in general?

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    Usually, but not always, people post things like this on their blogs in order to give others a "boxed" advocacy note to send to their local news papers and other groups.
    I like this letter, it is very well written and thoughtful and can be used almost verbatim by anyone one of us who commutes by bicycle.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it starts popping up in local news papers around the US and Canada.

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    Nice letter, but I think most drivers in my area are going to get a good laugh out of it.
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    I was with her 100% until she got to this part:
    I'm sorry if I break the occasional traffic law, which were designed with the dangers inherent in the automobile in mind. I may slow down and scan the intersection rather than come to a complete stop at a four-way stop, because its really hard on me to constantly lose my momentum...
    I think sometimes we do this not because it's hard to lose momentum but because it is hard to see once we stop at the line. I can't see much of anything from the stop line, but I can see a little before it and a little past it, so if I roll through it slowly I see much better than if I stop right at the line. I still try to stop if it doesn't completely ruin the view, but I will stop way before the line, then roll a bit, and possibly stop again past the line if somebody is there that I didn't see before.

    Also, it is much too long to send to any publication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    Very true... I am thinking of some slight modifications and then sending it to the local paper. Perhaps we can all do something like that locally. What did you think of it in general?
    Overall a very good letter. I will copy. paste & modify it to be sent to my local paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    Also, it is much too long to send to any publication.
    That's my only gripe with it, probably because I only read the first 2 paragraphs...
    ...and don't forget to stretch!

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    But it has to be a two way communications. May be a motorist should write a letter to cyclists about the terrible things that a lot of cyclists do: riding on the wrong side of the road (even on bike lanes), on the side walks, on the pedestrian crossings, failing to obey stop signs and even traffic lgihts, riding without lights and in dark clothings at night.....and virtually no cyclist give me a turn signal, hand or mechanical, telling me where they want to go, not even police officers patrolling on bicycles.

    My observation is that there are more careless cyclists on the road than motorists. For instance, I seldom see motorists drive without their headlights on after dark, but quite often, I encounter phatom cyclists come out of nowhere in total darkness. AND there are so many near misses with cyclists riding on the wrong side of the road that I have to wish them luck - afterall, a 200 lb cyclist is no match with my 3000 lb mini-van in a head on collision - although I increase my 3rd party liability insurance to 2 million dollars, you may not be able to live to enjoy it.

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    to those who plan on a cut and paste submission - you might want to ask permission first.

    ^a two way conversation is fine, but the original post is not a rant complaining about the 'terrible things that motorists do,' so why reply with one complaining about the terrible things cyclist do?

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    Too long for a letter to the editor, maybe would work as an op-ed piece. However, if you submit it somewhere under your own name w/o permission, that's plagiarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    Too long for a letter to the editor, maybe would work as an op-ed piece. However, if you submit it somewhere under your own name w/o permission, that's plagiarism.
    I thought plagerism only applied if the person was published & if the work was copy righted. Otherwise it is fair game. It would be like someone who visits the forums here & copies & pastes what we right for some reason. It is not plagerism. Plus she posted it in a blog everyone who has an internet connection can access & read with out payijng money to access the blog site.

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    AHEM:

    Plagiarize: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own; to use (another's production) without crediting the source.
    Miriam - Webster dictionary.

    Of course, I could try to pass that off as my definition, but...you got it!...that there'd be plagiarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    I thought plagerism only applied if the person was published & if the work was copy righted. Otherwise it is fair game. It would be like someone who visits the forums here & copies & pastes what we right for some reason. It is not plagerism. Plus she posted it in a blog everyone who has an internet connection can access & read with out payijng money to access the blog site.
    The moment that this cyclist posted the letter on the blog, it becomes copywritten to her, as far as I know. Doesn't hurt anyone to ask her, either - we're all in this world together, we should all work together.

    Great letter, long, but well thought out - I appreciate the honesty and attitude that was used, too. Thanks OP for posting it here!

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    Anything written is copyrighted the instant it is written. It may not be a registered copywirght, but it is a legal one. The biggest difference between the two is that with a registered copyright, you can sue for damages and court costs. Unregistered, about all you can do is make them stop using it and that's at your own legal expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    Very true... I am thinking of some slight modifications and then sending it to the local paper. Perhaps we can all do something like that locally. What did you think of it in general?
    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    Overall a very good letter. I will copy. paste & modify it to be sent to my local paper.
    Make sure you ask her and give proper credit with what she wrote. She wrote it, posted it, and thus it is copyrighted to her. Also, it's just nice manners.

    I liked that letter...a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    I was with her 100% until she got to this part:


    I think sometimes we do this not because it's hard to lose momentum but because it is hard to see once we stop at the line. I can't see much of anything from the stop line, but I can see a little before it and a little past it, so if I roll through it slowly I see much better than if I stop right at the line. I still try to stop if it doesn't completely ruin the view, but I will stop way before the line, then roll a bit, and possibly stop again past the line if somebody is there that I didn't see before.

    Also, it is much too long to send to any publication.
    Regarding hard to see: that is ok, stop at the stop line anyway and check for pedestrians. Once this is done and there are no peds, you are allowed to proceed into the intersection (intersection being defined here as teh area past the stopline) and block the crosswalk until it is safe to make your turn if traffic is seen to be coming. Of course, if after stopping at the line and moving forward into the ped crosswalk traffic is not spotted, you do not have to make a second stop and may continue through the intersection. What many people do that is illegal is not make the inital stop at the stopline and coast right up into the crosswalk before stopping. The line determines the legal stop spot, not where you can see. In the case where there is a ped crosswalk painted but no stopline, this legal stop spot becomes the edge of the crosswalk, and where there is no lines painted, it becomes the edge of any sidewalks present, and failing that, the edge of the new road.

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    Regarding the letter: it is a nicer more polite and bicker free version of what is often written here. There is now no more need for the A and S forum. Please take it down and just post a link to this letter...
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    Nice, but I don't think it will matter a bit to the members of shopping mall nation.
    "The People will believe what the Media tells them they believe". George Orwell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    I thought plagerism only applied if the person was published & if the work was copy righted. Otherwise it is fair game. It would be like someone who visits the forums here & copies & pastes what we right for some reason. It is not plagerism. Plus she posted it in a blog everyone who has an internet connection can access & read with out payijng money to access the blog site.
    If it is posted on her blog, it is effectively published and copyrighted. Permission should be obtained from her. Even if it wasn't a legal issue, it is common courtesy and respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webist
    Anything written is copyrighted the instant it is written. It may not be a registered copywirght, but it is a legal one. The biggest difference between the two is that with a registered copyright, you can sue for damages and court costs. Unregistered, about all you can do is make them stop using it and that's at your own legal expense.
    It doesn't have to be registered to be legally enforecable. One can sue for damages regardless. However, I saw no legal notice of copyright on her blog, so she would probably have an uphill battle in court. Simply by adding the words "Copyright 2006 by crazybikerchick", to the bottom of each page in her blog, she would greatly bolster her legal standing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigManiac
    If it is posted on her blog, it is effectively published and copyrighted. Permission should be obtained from her. Even if it wasn't a legal issue, it is common courtesy and respect.
    It is most definitely copyrighted! Intellectual property laws are clear that internet publication is copyrighted, regardless of whether there's a copyright notice or not. Just lettin ya know!
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    Obviously not a real (VC) cyclist:

    I ride in a predictable line so I don't surprise you by my presence. I don't weave
    So many for the VC missionaries to convert...

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    OK, I have sent an email to the author of the letter... I'll let you know what the response is.

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    Before you wish them off the road, remember they are helping to ease traffic congestion.
    ^^^^^ I like that, one to remember.
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