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View Poll Results: Do you own a helmet for when you are required to wear one at cycling events?
Yes, I own one for when it is required to wear one at cycling events. 15 75.00%
No I do not own one & do not participate at cycling events where they are required. 3 15.00%
No I do not own one but participate in cycling events where they are requried anyway. 2 10.00%
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Old 10-04-06, 06:36 AM   #1
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Fors those of you who do not wear helmets...

...do you own one for when you are required to wear one?

By required to wear one I mean for an event, such as an organized ride, race, etc.

This is not a troll post. I am just wondering what the ratio of those who own a helmet to those that do not. For now it has to do with those that do not wear them on a regular basis, but may at least own one.

Please explain your answer if you wish, especially if you do not own one but participate in events where one is required anyway.
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Old 10-04-06, 06:56 AM   #2
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This is not a troll post.
Yes, it is most certainly trolling.
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Old 10-04-06, 07:17 AM   #3
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I wear one when the riding conditions call for one and/or when events call for one, thats all I'll say and let the net savvy scholars figure the rest out
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Old 10-04-06, 10:58 AM   #4
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I'm not responding for myself, but for the interest of a data point: I have a friend who rides without a helmet. We're participating in a very short 8-mile winery tour ride that requires helmets next month. My boyfriend gave him his old helmet, which he will wear and keep.
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Old 10-05-06, 04:54 AM   #5
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Yes, it is most certainly trolling.
Well, this post is...
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Old 10-05-06, 05:00 AM   #6
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Yes, it is most certainly trolling.
Aren't all posts trolling? You wouldn't post if you didn't want an answer. I wear my helmet when it's required.

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Old 10-05-06, 06:16 AM   #7
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Yes, it is most certainly trolling.
Actually, he's asking a valid question and not inserting his own agenda in there! Remarkably restrained, actually!
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Old 10-05-06, 06:30 AM   #8
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I always wear a helmet.
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The reason I ask this is this past year before the Tri-State Trails Tour III the Siouxland Trails Foundation President was handing out the registration forms to people along the MUP. He handed one to a gentleman & a week or so later STF received a letter in the mail with the unused form.

The letter basically thanked us for asking him to participate in our ride but declined because he does not like the statement HELEMTS ARE REQUIRED. Which is our right to require people to wear a helmet or they can be prevented from participating. This is more of our insurance policy then ours, but we have to abide by it.

This person was nice but belligerant about required helmet usage on organized rides. He even went as far as stating sometimes he participates in organized rides where a helmet is required but does not wear one out of protest & to see what the organizers will do. He stated he thinks when groups or individuals who require helmet usage on a ride goes against & violates what he calls his constituitionaly protected right to not wear one.

First of all I did not know that not wearing a helmet was a constituitionly protected right. Maybe it falls under one of the rights that are general & do not have any specifications as to what they are for. When one of the STF members, who is an attorney, heard this he rolled his eyes & said "good grief". Also even if that right was protected by the constitution, if there is an organization, such as STF that has an insurance policy that states you wear a helmet or you do not participate, the so called constitutionaly protected right is trumped & it is not a so called violation of the constitution. At least that is my impression of it anyway.

Am I correct or way off base here?
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Old 10-05-06, 07:37 AM   #10
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Why would you even ask if someone wears a helmet for a race? The organisers will not let you race unless you are wearing a helmet and can pass a tech inspection.
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Old 10-05-06, 08:02 AM   #11
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I feel naked without my helmet and without it my hat flies off and its really hard to attach my helmet-mounted headlamp to my bare head.

But I don't participate in any organized rides (I might try one this month--we'll see--since it involves wine!) I do participate in disorganized rides and when I've forgotten my helmet they put up with me.
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I feel naked without my helmet and without it my hat flies off and its really hard to attach my helmet-mounted headlamp to my bare head.

But I don't participate in any organized rides (I might try one this month--we'll see--since it involves wine!) I do participate in disorganized rides and when I've forgotten my helmet they put up with me.
So do I.

The other day I went home for lunch & to get my bike so I could ride home, didn't have enough time to load it that morning & wife stayed home from work so I took the Jeep & she was going to take me & the bike back after. I took everything I needed to ride, including my helmet, except the bike that morning. When we went to leave home the Jeep would not start, broken ignition lock, had to call a lock smith to come & replace it.

I could have ridden back to work, not been as late as I was getting back, then ridden home after work. Only problem was my helmet was at my office on my desk. I choose to stay home, wait for the lock smith to fix the ignition lock, then my wife took me back with the bike. I could not bring myself to ride with out my helmet. I was actually too scared to do so. Fear kept me from riding so I was later then I wanted to be but the tardy was no big deal.

I just can not bring myself to ride with out my helmet.
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Old 10-05-06, 12:33 PM   #13
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Am I correct or way off base here?
To tell the truth, I think you are off-base here. Since helmet use is not mandatory or legally required for adults , at least where I live, I think it is elitist, arrogant and obnoxious to 'require' riders to wear helmets if they want to participate in an event. It's a personal decision if a cyclist wants to wear one or not and it is also their accepted risk should they sustain a head injury that might have been prevented had they worn a helmet. If an organization wants to claim their insurance requires participants wear a helmet, both the organizers and the insurance company are being unfair and imposing. What legal ground do they have to make such a demand? It's like insisting that all pedestrians use an umbrella when it's raining. It might be a good idea, but there's no law stating it is mandatory. Why don't they insist that all bicycles be bright yellow or that they must wear certain types of shoes, shirts and shorts? An argument might be made that they are more visible and will protect the rider from being hit by moron motorists.
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To tell the truth, I think you are off-base here. Since helmet use is not mandatory or legally required for adults , at least where I live, I think it is elitist, arrogant and obnoxious to 'require' riders to wear helmets if they want to participate in an event. It's a personal decision if a cyclist wants to wear one or not and it is also their accepted risk should they sustain a head injury that might have been prevented had they worn a helmet. If an organization wants to claim their insurance requires participants wear a helmet, both the organizers and the insurance company are being unfair and imposing. What legal ground do they have to make such a demand? It's like insisting that all pedestrians use an umbrella when it's raining. It might be a good idea, but there's no law stating it is mandatory. Why don't they insist that all bicycles be bright yellow or that they must wear certain types of shoes, shirts and shorts? An argument might be made that they are more visible and will protect the rider from being hit by moron motorists.
Unfair or not our insurance policy requires 2 things, participants wear a helmet & they sign a waiver. I'm sure it is in compliance with the insurance laws, otherwise it could not be a part of the policy.

Maybe things are differant in Canada then they are here in the U.S. when it comes to organized bike rides. Maybe the insurance policies & laws are differant.
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I own two helmets and I do not use either one because I don't like 'em... I do not participate in events that require them.
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I cannot answer this poll because my answer is:

Yes, I own one, but NOT for when it is required to wear one at cycling events. I own one to wear whenever I'm cycling.
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Unfair or not our insurance policy requires 2 things, participants wear a helmet & they sign a waiver. I'm sure it is in compliance with the insurance laws, otherwise it could not be a part of the policy.

Maybe things are differant in Canada then they are here in the U.S. when it comes to organized bike rides. Maybe the insurance policies & laws are differant.
If someone has signed a waiver, I see no need for the insurance company to demand helmet usage.
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I dont wear a helmet when I BMX, unless I feel that I will use it (usually at a competition) but I do wear one mountian biking.
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Old 10-05-06, 05:48 PM   #19
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If someone has signed a waiver, I see no need for the insurance company to demand helmet usage.
Signing a waiver does not preclude a jury from finding in favor of an injured someone or his next of kin and against the insured organizers of the event.

Requiring everyone to wear helmets (and obey the traffic laws, etc.) helps them argue to such a potential jury that they took reasonable steps to ensure safety.
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I haven't been wearing one, because I couldn't afford one. Until now. I ordered one last week (it wasn't in stock), and will pick it up Monday.

I even got a discount on it.
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I voted yes, but none of the poll choices really fit my situation.
I own at least 8 bike helmets,(i just like buying stuff)
I wear one when required.
I wear one 60% of the time when not required.
I wear one 100% of the time when when my wife is helping me balance my checkbook.
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I had to vote yes and that I only wear it for cycling events, because that is the reason I bought it. But, I decided not to participate in the ones I've been invited to because of the irony of requiring one and signing a waiver. I was going to say in a land of lawsuits, the club is only protecting itself, but someone already mentioned that.

I have found that is is good for keep my head cool in the summer though.
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I own like 3 helmets, only wear one when I am in some organized ride that requires it. I also wear one on many of my winter commutes if the footing is dicey...helps keep my head warm and it's a good place for a light. I used to wear one when racing. It's a matter of acceptable risk. Most of the time, the risk of going down is about the same as being hit by lightning...so I don't fret it. But when with a group of unknown and suspect competence, racing, sliding around on ice and snow, or bombing down a trail, the risk of going down makes a helmet a prudent step. It really does pain me that so many people see normal cycling as dangerous enough to warrant a helmet, but everyone has to follow their own measure of what is acceptable risk.

F_ing insurance companies - nuff said.
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If someone has signed a waiver, I see no need for the insurance company to demand helmet usage.
I have doubts that "insurance companies" demand helmets on most (any?) organized rides where this demand is made. More likely it is self appointed nannies from the sponsoring organization using this ploy to keep out the "riff-raff" who don't fit the preferred profile or out of a misplaced sense of "duty".
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