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Old 10-04-06, 07:04 AM   #1
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Why did it take issues with motorcyclist safety for the state to do something?

http://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/...sp?NewsID=1784

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pb...610010341/1011

My interpritation of both the bikeiowa & the full article is that because of the number of fatalities involving motorcycle riders the state of Iowa is now going to do a Share The Road campaign that will affect both motorcyclists & bicyclists alike. Am I wrong here or am I correct? Don't get me wrong when I say this, I appreciate our close cousins on motorcycles & love seeing them out on the roads, but why did this have to wait until they got hurt or killed? Why was it not done before, especially with the large number of fatatlities amongst bicyclists this year?

It almost seems as if the state only takes action if a group who uses gas powered motorized vehicles gets hurt or killed. Shouldn't this been done before it got this far? Before the large number of motorcyclists & bicyclists were killed this year?
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Old 10-04-06, 08:16 AM   #2
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Bicycles don't count, they are "just toys."
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i think it is the effectiveness of the motorcycle lobby.

there is a stiff prosecution campaign that is right from the motorcycling community, i'm forgetting the name of that advocacy group....
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Perhaps because motorcycle fatalities are quadruple bike fatalities? Perhaps because motorcycle fatalities are rising at a 25% annual rate, and bicycle fatalities are relatively stable (particularly adjusted for participation).
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Old 10-04-06, 08:42 AM   #5
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I think government does enough to invent and create problems to spend money on. I believe it is responsible to work to resolve real problems not those that "might" happen.
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i think it is the effectiveness of the motorcycle lobby.

there is a stiff prosecution campaign that is right from the motorcycling community, i'm forgetting the name of that advocacy group....
ABATE, I think is what it is. I do not know what the acronym stands for.
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Old 10-04-06, 09:20 AM   #7
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i think it is the effectiveness of the motorcycle lobby.

there is a stiff prosecution campaign that is right from the motorcycling community, i'm forgetting the name of that advocacy group....
Heh. We cyclists need to form gangs, wear leather instead of spandex, have a big rally each year in South Dakota, and make a movie called No So Easy Rider.

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Heh. We cyclists need to form gangs, wear leather instead of spandex, have a big rally each year in South Dakota, and make a movie called No So Easy Rider.

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"Breaking Away" Ever see it... all it needed was a better campfire scene.

It even had a scene in it where the rider is brought down in a fashion similar to Easy off Rider... except no shotgun. GRIN
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"Breaking Away" Ever see it... all it needed was a better campfire scene.

It even had a scene in it where the rider is brought down in a fashion similar to Easy off Rider... except no shotgun. GRIN
What campfire scene? I don't rememebr a camp fire scene. Do you mean American Flyers?
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Motorcyles have to liscensed, insured, and taxed. Bicycles aren't.

Is the governor up for reelection this year?
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My own personal experience makes me wonder if an increase in motorcycle accidents is because of the car drivers or the motorcyclists themselves. Frequently I'm tailgated by guys on motorcyles whether I'm driving on neighborhood roads or the highway. When I say tailgated, I mean less than five feet off my bumper, sometimes closer. The majority of the time they are young guys on racer wannabe bikes, sometimes wearing helmets, sometimes not. This happens regularly, as in 3 or 4 times per month. I just wonder if the popularity of crotch rocket motorcycles and the young males that tend to own them has had much of an effect on the accident/fatality rate. There are lots of Harleys around here, and I've never been tailgated by a Harley rider in town.

I'm not knocking the share the road campaign, I wish they would promote something like that here. People need to learn to share the road with everyone, no matter what kind of vehicle they are using.
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According to defensive driving theory, only a tiny minority of all crashes, if any, are not preventable by either driver involved.

That means that in almost all if not in all car-car crashes, either car driver could have prevented the crash, in almost all if not in all motorcycle-car crashes, either the motorcyclist or the driver could have prevented the crash, and in almost all if not in all bike-car crashes, either the bicyclist or the driver could have prevented the crash.

To believe that a significant percentage of cagers will alter their driving habits beyond what they already do to protect to a reasonable degree (from their persective) their own caged a$$es, in order to better protect the a$$es of the cageless, is, in my view, being unrealistically optimistic about human nature.

In the motorcycle-car and bike-car crashes, since the cageless have a lot more to lose, I suggest it is in their interest to make sure they are using defensive driving techniques to practically eliminate the possibility to be in a crash with a cager. And since it is in their interest to do so, I suggest that is where the lion's share of the emphasis should be, since that's where it's most likely to be effective.
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Motorcyles have to liscensed, insured, and taxed. Bicycles aren't.

Is the governor up for reelection this year?
No, he's not up for reelection. Gov. Vilsack is not running again, too bad too, he has been one of our best governor's. Chet Culver, D & Jim Nussle, R, are running against one another for governor. I really hope Culver wins, I do not want to see a big business special interest guy like Nussle in office.
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ABATE, I think is what it is. I do not know what the acronym stands for.
Actually, the acronym has changed meaning over the years. Back when they were simply a Harley-oriented, anti-helmet-law group, it stood for "American Bikers Against Totalitarian Enactments". Not much doubt about where they stood. Now it stands for "American Bikers Aimed Towards Education"; a bit less in-your-face I suppose.
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