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    Please dont put a red light on the front

    I almost had a head on collision on a MUP with a rider last night with a blinky red light
    clipped on the front of his shirt. From the red I thought we were going in the
    same direction, but our closing speed suddenly seemed too fast. whew- it
    was a close one.

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    yeah, i've seen the white light on the back as well. although that one is probably less dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobartlemagne
    I almost had a head on collision on a MUP with a rider last night with a blinky red light
    clipped on the front of his shirt. From the red I thought we were going in the
    same direction, but our closing speed suddenly seemed too fast. whew- it
    was a close one.
    +1

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    I would rather be riding towards someone with a red light on their front, than no light on their front.

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    I had the same issue yesterday morning. The other rider approaching me had a large flashing red light and a flashing white strobe light attached to his handlebars. Ack!

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    White in front ... red in back. I guess that's too deep a concept for some folks to grasp ...
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    Just the other night, I saw the same thing.... I wonder if its the same person?
    I honestly do believe it is quite dangerous, In the dark, at speed, I couldnt tell
    they were coming at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickMcCabe
    Just the other night, I saw the same thing.... I wonder if its the same person?
    I honestly do believe it is quite dangerous, In the dark, at speed, I couldnt tell
    they were coming at me.
    Hmm Chicago to Texas seems pretty far to ride this time of year +1 on keeping the red to rear and white to front. I ride on an unlit MUP fairly frequently and lighting is of the essence.

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    interesting, I was considering putting a white flasher on the back just because it's brighter, in addition to my red flasher.. anything to get the attention of motorists. On bike trails I see the white flashers from much further away than the red ones.
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    I don't get it.

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    1) It's illegal

    2) observers will think you are going the other way.

    3) you could hurt someone.
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    Add it to the growing list of dumb things people do. Also on the list:

    Wearing helmets backwards. I can't figure out how anyone could screw this up.

    Having a helmet, but instead of wearing it, they have it dangling from the handlebars.

    Wearing a helmet incorrectly, either perched on the back of the head, or with the strap unfastened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobartlemagne
    I almost had a head on collision on a MUP with a rider last night with a blinky red light
    clipped on the front of his shirt. From the red I thought we were going in the
    same direction, but our closing speed suddenly seemed too fast. whew- it
    was a close one.
    There's a guy on my daily MUP section of commute that does the same thing. Red blinkie on his bars, and no other lights. I thought for once I'd found someone to ride with at 5:30am, until I realized he was heading the other direction.
    The only reasonable excuse I've heard was a few months ago: A guy was coming very slowly down the MUP with an amber blinkie on his bars, and as I got near he called out "Sorry... My headlight burned out!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackhub
    Add it to the growing list of dumb things people do. Also on the list:

    Wearing helmets backwards. I can't figure out how anyone could screw this up.

    Having a helmet, but instead of wearing it, they have it dangling from the handlebars.

    Wearing a helmet incorrectly, either perched on the back of the head, or with the strap unfastened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manybikes
    1) It's illegal

    2) observers will think you are going the other way.

    3) you could hurt someone.

    yeah well, on the road, "observers" are going 50 miles per hour (and usually ten miles faster than that if that's the speed limit), and the particular color of the flashing light doesn't matter if it gets their attention. the red flasher I have works, and I have plenty of reflectors and a bright vest also with reflectors, but still cars come up on me on those 3 miles of 50mph speed limit roads I ride at 10pm as if they just noticed me. Police cars have crazy strobes and flashing lights when they pull someone over, for their safety. You can see the flashing white lights (the little cateye LED ones) from much farther away than a red one. That's all I'm saying. I can't concieve of a situation where a car driver will think that I'm coming towards them, they'll see me from much further away and just get in the other lane sooner. (I'm only talking about commuting on real roads here, not the trail etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owltooth
    yeah well, on the road, "observers" are going 50 miles per hour (and usually ten miles faster than that if that's the speed limit), and the particular color of the flashing light doesn't matter if it gets their attention. the red flasher I have works, and I have plenty of reflectors and a bright vest also with reflectors, but still cars come up on me on those 3 miles of 50mph speed limit roads I ride at 10pm as if they just noticed me. Police cars have crazy strobes and flashing lights when they pull someone over, for their safety. You can see the flashing white lights (the little cateye LED ones) from much farther away than a red one. That's all I'm saying. I can't concieve of a situation where a car driver will think that I'm coming towards them, they'll see me from much further away and just get in the other lane sooner. (I'm only talking about commuting on real roads here, not the trail etc.)
    Have you tried a really good red one yet? They've made some pretty good ones lately... Cateye LD1000, Planet Bike SuperFlash, NiteRider Universal, and amazingly even the $12 Planet Bike Blinky 5.

    Or there's The Taillight We Do Not Name Aloud™, of course... but those require a little fabrication skill Anyway, if you're using an older red blinkie, check out some of today's good ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickMcCabe
    Just the other night, I saw the same thing.... I wonder if its the same person?
    I honestly do believe it is quite dangerous, In the dark, at speed, I couldnt tell
    they were coming at me.
    If you couldnt tell whether they were coming or going, you were riding too fast for your lights. Red blinkies are more readily available than white blinkies, and any light is better than none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owltooth
    yeah well, on the road, "observers" are going 50 miles per hour (and usually ten miles faster than that if that's the speed limit), and the particular color of the flashing light doesn't matter if it gets their attention. the red flasher I have works, and I have plenty of reflectors and a bright vest also with reflectors, but still cars come up on me on those 3 miles of 50mph speed limit roads I ride at 10pm as if they just noticed me. Police cars have crazy strobes and flashing lights when they pull someone over, for their safety. You can see the flashing white lights (the little cateye LED ones) from much farther away than a red one. That's all I'm saying. I can't concieve of a situation where a car driver will think that I'm coming towards them, they'll see me from much further away and just get in the other lane sooner. (I'm only talking about commuting on real roads here, not the trail etc.)
    What about a bike going in the wrong direction right at you? It's happened to me and a few others on the forum. If a car is coming behind you making some glare for the other bike they will have a hard time seeing much except the light. It's happened to me on a pitch dark road, and a pitch dark bike path too.

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    Red and green in front, white in back?

    Some folks lack the intellect to differentiate a bicycle from a powerboat.

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    I know some may not agree. I have white in front, and red blinky in back. So far, so good. But I also have a flashing amber in front in addition to the white light. Any comments on use of an amber blinky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk4df
    I know some may not agree. I have white in front, and red blinky in back. So far, so good. But I also have a flashing amber in front in addition to the white light. Any comments on use of an amber blinky?
    Amber is found on both the front and rear of vehicles, as well as the sides, so at least it doesn't send the signal "REAR" to the viewer.

    In traffic, I often used Nashbar amber blinkies clipped to my front panniers facing to the sides, to give some side visibility that didn't rely on the viewer having headlights turned on & aimed at me. I just upgraded to a pair of Planet Bike amber ones:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun
    Red and green in front, white in back?

    Some folks lack the intellect to differentiate a bicycle from a powerboat.
    or a sailboat...
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    I think it was determined in another thread here on A&S that is not humanly posible to crash into a flashing light if you are paying attention.

    For me cycling is about health.

    bikes with red lights on the front are a good way to elevate ones heart rate.

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    I have a solid red light on my left bar, and a solid green light on my right bar. That way you always know whether I'm coming toward you or not.

    Seriously though, a front red blinkie? Bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtjim
    I have a solid red light on my left bar, and a solid green light on my right bar. That way you always know whether I'm coming toward you or not.
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