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    CRASH SURVEY! Describe your BIKE-CAR crash(es)!

    Please copy/paste these questions and answer them!

    Severity scale:

    0: no injury to cyclist nor damage to bike
    1: slight injury or damage
    2: very low injury or damage
    3: low injury or damage
    4: Plenty of pain and injury, but nothing really debilitating
    5: serious scrapes, bruises, but no visit to hospital
    6: brief visit to hospital, nothing broken
    7: something broken
    8: serious injury, in hospital
    9: critical condition in hospital
    10: death

    Bike-car collision types:
    http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/traffic/accident.htm

    ------------- Survey starts here -----------------
    How many bike-car crashes have you been in?

    FOR EACH BIKE-CAR CRASH YOU HAVE BEEN IN, please copy/paste/fillout the following section:

    ------------ PER CRASH SURVEY --------------
    1. Severity:
    2. Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com):
    3. Intersection type (choose one from below):
      1. major (traffic signals)
      2. medium (two streets, but no traffic signals)
      3. minor (street with alley or driveway, path with street, etc.)
      4. No (midblock)
    4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):
    5. Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):
    6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road?
    7. Direction cyclist traveling:
    8. Direction motorist traveling:
    9. Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder):
    10. Lane motorist was in:
    11. Motorist's vehicle description:
    12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.)
    13. City, State:
    14. Approximate date of crash:
    15. Approximate time of crash:
    16. Light/weather conditions:
    17. Cyclist wearing helmet?:
    18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on):
    19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy):
    20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid?


    Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:

    ------------ -------------- ------------ --------------

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Please copy/paste these questions and answer them!
    You're kidding right?

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    "10: death"

    How does someone post for this?

    No, seriously, I need to know.....

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    It's the month of Halloween... you never know...

    Seriously, that just means that 9 is "almost died".

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    10 for me you know the afterlife is awesome! no cars and never ending trails with 72 virgins along the way. sure it makes it tough to complete a ride but the hummus is really good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedo
    You're kidding right?
    Based on his posting history, this actually ranks as one of his more reasonable threads.
    "It may even be that motoring is more healthful than not motoring; death rates were certainly higher in the pre-motoring age."- John Forester
    "Laws cannot be properly understood as if written in plain English..."- Forester defending obfuscation.
    "Motorist propaganda, continued for sixty years, is what has put cyclists on sidewalks." - Forester, sociologist in his own mind
    "'There are no rules of the road on MUPs.' -John Forester" - Helmet Head quoting 'The Great One'

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    ------------- Survey starts here -----------------
    How many bike-car crashes have you been in?

    Two

    FOR EACH BIKE-CAR CRASH YOU HAVE BEEN IN, please copy/paste/fillout the following section:

    ------------ PER CRASH SURVEY --------------
    1. Severity:0: no injury to cyclist nor damage to bike; 0: no injury to cyclist nor damage to bike
    2. Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com):Type 2; Type 3
    3. Intersection type (choose one from below):major (traffic signals); No (midblock)
    4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane):Six (2 each way, 2 parking); Five (three northbound, two parking)
    5. Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): As above in both cases.
    6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? No, in neither case was there a bike lane.
    7. Direction cyclist traveling: Northbound; northbound.
    8. Direction motorist traveling: Southbound; northbound.
    9. Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): Rightmost northbound lane; leftmost northbound lane.
    10. Lane motorist was in: Rightmost southbound lane; center northbound lane.
    11. Motorist's vehicle description: Blue sedan; white sedan.
    12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) Center of lane, over oil stripe; center of lane, over oil stripe.
    13. City, State: Brooklyn, New York; New York, New York.
    14. Approximate date of crash: August, 05; March, 04.
    15. Approximate time of crash: 11am, 4pm.
    16. Light/weather conditions: Clear, bright; clear, bright.
    17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: Yes; yes.
    18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): Equipped but unused actively (daylight); equipped but unused actively (daylight).
    19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): Light; heavy
    20. Police involved? No; no.
      Fault determined/assigned? Yes; yes.
      Damages paid? In a manner of speaking; in a manner of speaking.


    Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:
    1) Northbound on Flatbush Avenue near 7th Avenue in rightmost lane. Southbound motorist attempts left turn, cutting me off. Braked hard, turned left sharply, collided while our trajectories were nearly parallel. Spent a few rewarding minutes yelling at him & beating the side & hood of his car with bicycle. Adreneline subsided, felt vaguely ashamed as motorist drove away with look of shock and horror. Realigned bars and proceeded with rest of commute.

    2) Northbound in leftmost lane on Lafayette street, just south of intersection where BL begins, in center lane position, motorist in slightly ahead of me (my front wheel was about where his rear bumper was) in center lane pulls half into left lane, flings open door as if pursued by bees. I steered left and braked, clipped his window frame with my right shoulder. Motorist's motives remain a mystery, as my enraged and repeated inquiries regarding his parentage, his family's traditions regarding maternal mating habits and his and his female companion's personal and aesthetic characteristics were met first by silence and then by apologies. Homeless man entered argument, in my support. Knowing little else would be accomplished, I proceeded northwards, leaving my advocate to continue the argument on my behalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRA
    Based on his posting history, this actually ranks as one of his more reasonable threads.
    Well, it might be reasonable if someone else posted it. But the fact that HH posted, and will be analyzing the results will muddy the responses.

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    Been there - done that.

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    I have never been in a bike-car crash either as the cyclist or the motorist. I've been in the bike lane, on the shoulder, in the right-most portion of the road, otherwise adequately destination-positioned, or on the bike path each time (as the cyclist of course).

    Make sure you include my statistic in your "study".
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    8.5 mile commute. I like bike lanes.

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    I wasnt going to particepate in this survey because I have never personaly had a bike vs car crash.
    But after reading the severity level 10, I got to wondering if maybe I had been killed in a bike car crash and just didnt realise it.

    Is there some way I can check on this and find out?
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    Do you ever have the haunting feeling that you've died and gone to hell?

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    I'll be nice and play
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    Severity: 5
    Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): Suburban going wrong way on a one way street with a blind corner
    Intersection type (choose one from below):
    No (midblock)
    Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 1
    Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): N/A
    stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? No
    Direction cyclist traveling: Uhm, downhill (going teh right way)
    Direction motorist traveling: Uphill (wrong way)
    Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): only lane
    Lane motorist was in: only lane
    Motorist's vehicle description: White Chevy Suburban with the biggest grill ever when i saw it
    Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) Middle
    City, State: Somewhere on teh CA coast
    Approximate date of crash: fark if I remember
    Approximate time of crash: hahaha, afternoonish
    Light/weather conditions: good light, decent weater
    Cyclist wearing helmet?: Yes
    Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): N/A
    Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): none (except that tard)
    Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? No police
    Summary: ******* suburban driver went the wrong way up a one way, one lane street. Rounded a corner at 25 and saw that farker and jumped. No contact human to car, but my bike farked his car up. Free new bike for me.

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    Severity: 3
    Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): clipped overtaking
    Intersection type (choose one from below):
    No (midblock)
    Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 2
    Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): same
    stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? no
    Direction cyclist traveling: eastish
    Direction motorist traveling: eastish
    Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): 2 (furthist right)
    Lane motorist was in: 2
    Motorist's vehicle description: Nasty pickup
    Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.) few feet off the fog line
    City, State: Near Loup Loup Pass, WA
    Approximate date of crash: Memorial day weekend 06
    Approximate time of crash: noon
    Light/weather conditions: cloudy
    Cyclist wearing helmet?: yes
    Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): lotta relfective stuff and rear light
    Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): light
    Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? no
    While i was on tour this summer, some jerk clipped me and sent me off teh side of the road down the embankment. Cut my leg up on the rocks. Hit and run.
    Breaking bike parts for more than 20 years
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    Do you ever have the haunting feeling that you've died and gone to hell?
    Only when I read certain threads.

    I would recommend that anyone with ongoing issues from a crash not post anything about it on an open forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraldo
    Only when I read certain threads.

    I would recommend that anyone with ongoing issues from a crash not post anything about it on an open forum.
    Me too. Just now I seriously felt my face burning. OWWWWW...

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    Only 1 car bike crash.

    Got into a verbal argument with an idiot in a car who was 2 feet from my rear wheel, laying on the horn for about half a block, even though there were two lanes to his left he could have used to get around me and it was a sunday morning with very little traffic.

    As he passed me on the right, he tried to squeeze me into a van that had gotten in the lane to my left. I kicked his car, he slammed on the brakes, got in back of me. At this point I knew he was gong to run me down, so I accelerated as hard as I could and went left as fast as I could. I almost got away, but he hit me just as I made it to the left most lane of three lanes. Hospital, stitches.

    Cops wouldn't charge him, state attorney said it was my fault for provoking him.
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    incident A) SUV, 3 days hospital stay, 3 pins in hip, 30 thousand dollars.

    incident B) 1 taxi driver on cell phone, one quarter panel, one month on crutches.

    incident C) icy road, hill, car, bike.

    yep. maybe some more, can't remember.
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    Severity:5/6 serious scrapes, bruises, brief visit to hospital, nothing broken
    Type of collision (right hook/overtaking)
    Intersection type: No (midblock)
    Cyclist's street, number of lanes = 2, Motorist's street, number of lanes = 2
    stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? No, row of parked cars on shoulder
    Direction cyclist traveling: West
    Direction motorist traveling: West
    Lane cyclist was in #2 (leftmost is #1 lane, rightmost is #2) on one way street
    Lane motorist was in: #1 on one way street
    Motorist's vehicle description: 2002 Dodge mini van
    Where in lane was cyclist traveling? center of #2)
    City, State: Olympia, WA
    Approximate date of crash: May 2005
    Approximate time of crash: 3:00 PM
    Light/weather conditions: Sunny & Clear
    Cyclist wearing helmet? Yes
    Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): Bike had reflectors but it was daylight N/A
    Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): Light
    Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? No, Yes, No, but hospital cost was paid.

    Description: I was in middle of RH lane, Minivan overtook in LH lane then attempted to turn right into a business lot across my path trapping me between her van & a parked car. Back of my right hand struck mirror on parked car while my left bar end struck along right rear quarter panel of van, denting panel & bending my bar & brake lever. Contusion on my hand & wrist but nothing broken. Driver stated she never saw me! Don
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    1. Severity: 6
    2. Type of collision (right hook, left hook, overtaking, etc. see bicyclesafe.com): rear end part 2
    3. Intersection type (choose one from below):
    4. No (midblock)
    4. Cyclist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): 4 lane highway
    5. Motorist's street, number of lanes (both directions, not counting bike lane): above
    6. stripe demarcated bike lane or shoulder on road? yes
    7. Direction cyclist traveling: north
    8. Direction motorist traveling: north
    9. Lane cyclist was in (leftmost is #1 lane, or BL for bike lane, or SH for shoulder): #1
    10. Lane motorist was in: #1
    11. Motorist's vehicle description: didn't see it
    12. Where in lane was cyclist traveling (gutter, "as right as practicable", 3' to right of traffic, right tire track, center, etc.): approaching my turn left, was in left lane, nearest to the solid white line on the left side
    13. City, State: Maryville, TN
    14. Approximate date of crash: 9/24/05
    15. Approximate time of crash: 12:00am
    16. Light/weather conditions: clear and dark
    17. Cyclist wearing helmet?: yes
    18. Lights/reflectors on bike/cyclist (describe, or N/A if daylight & no lights were on): 2 rear lights one solid one blinking, reflective timbuk2 bag
    19. Traffic conditions at the time on cyclist's street, same direction (none, light, heavy): none
    20. Police involved? Fault determined/assigned? Damages paid? police involved, motorist never found, homeowners gave me some money, health insurance covered most of the hospital bills

    Description: I was riding home late at night on a Friday. I got to the far left like I had done everyother night to make a left hand turn to go to my apt. I totally didn't think that anyone would be drinking(I'm assuming the driver was drunk since he tried to stop, but kept going after the collision). Driver attempted to stop, I heard my wheel crunch, and then woke up on the side of the road. A girl(my age) stopped to see what happend, she was more hysterical than me. She asked if I was ok, I asked her if I was dreaming, then I asked if she hit me. I looked at my feet, wiggled them, said I was ok and stood up. Called my mom, had the girl call the police, then called my roomates. Police came, did a report, said the driver left 100ft skid marks(I probably left 20 ft ) which meant he was probably going 60mph(it's a highway so I'm not surprised). Roomates took me to the hospital, x-rays etc, nothing permanent, just road rash etc. Rear wheel was totaled, and rear triangle was bent enough that it was not repairable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Please copy/paste these questions and answer them!
    After you my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Please describe the crash in detail, and include any other pertinent information:
    Where will the survey results be used?

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    Are you interested in near misses, or only actual collisions? In the past 4 years that I've commuted regularly (plus around campus during college 20 years ago, and off and on before and after that), I've had one near miss and no actual collisions. I can tell you about the near miss if you'd like.
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    My bike was run over by a luggage car at the airport but I wasn't on it. Luggage car took sharp right turn followed by a sharp left turn. The bike slid off the middle trailer of 5 and was then run over by the last trailer. All while I watched in horror from the Gate. Damage = total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrooking
    Are you interested in near misses, or only actual collisions? In the past 4 years that I've commuted regularly (plus around campus during college 20 years ago, and off and on before and after that), I've had one near miss and no actual collisions. I can tell you about the near miss if you'd like.
    Sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vrkelley
    Where will the survey results be used?
    Anywhere anyone wants.
    I have no plans.
    How it may be used mostly depends on what gets submitted.

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