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    This survey is driving me nuts!!!

    This is a rant.

    I am doing a survey of the on street bike routes, both existing & new potential routes. The part of Sioux City I am surveying is the west, north & Riverside areas. I'm using the new bike route/trail map the Siouxland Trails Foundation had developed with the help of the MPO. The on street routes have little to no signage & on the map the roads are not labeled on parts of it. So I am having to access an online map to figure out what street it is. Plus I think there have been design changes in the roadway infrastructure since the bike routes were established.

    I am usually a calm person who can systematically figure stuff like this out, but this driving me nuts!!!

    I think today as I continue I will visit with the Parks & Rec, Director to get an idea of where some of these roadways go.

    Thanks for listening, rant over.

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    get a road map, or what I do is just explore streets.

    In a grid pattern I find some ways are better for my route which are not on a Road Map, or bicycle map
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    I just got back from driving the streets. I now know what I need to do to finish the report I am submitting to the city regarding the bike routes.

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    A pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his fly.
    The bartender says "hey, you know you got a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?"
    The pirate replys "Aye, it's DRIVING ME NUTS."

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    Try Google maps with satillite imagry. (Did I spell something wrong there?)
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    I donít know if this will help but you can use http://www.routeslip.com/ to draw on Google maps to generate a cue sheet with mileage and you can add turns with the street names on it.
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    I have completed the north side loop part of the survey, have a little bit to finish up on the west side loop & about half way done with the Riverside loop. I'll post it in this thread when I am done & ask what you think.

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    I know what you are going through. I worked with a city engineer to check some 60 miles of creeks and drainage channels for bike and walking suitability. Most of the channels and larger creeks had narrow dirt roads on one or both sides for service vehicles. There had been a lot of talk about upgrading them for bike and foot traffic. There were gaps in the routes, one MUP had caved in, and a trail the city had paid for was not there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ken cummings
    I know what you are going through. I worked with a city engineer to check some 60 miles of creeks and drainage channels for bike and walking suitability. Most of the channels and larger creeks had narrow dirt roads on one or both sides for service vehicles. There had been a lot of talk about upgrading them for bike and foot traffic. There were gaps in the routes, one MUP had caved in, and a trail the city had paid for was not there.
    What became of you working with the city engineer? Was anything accomplished from it? Are there bike/ped. facilities where there was nothing before? How effective were you?

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    Finally done with the survey. It has been sent to the president of the Siouxland Trails Foundation & the Sioux City Parks & Rec. Director. Here it is, tell me what you think:

    On Street Bicycle Route Survey Report

    Purpose of report: To advise all appropriate governing bodies on the condition of existing on street bike routes and the existence of potential new bike routes.

    The survey conducted was done by an experienced cyclist who rides the roadways of Sioux City on a regular basis. The survey was done only on the city roadways regardless of an existing multi-use path, or MUP, parallel or adjacent to the roadway. This survey was done to show riding on the city roadways is a safe alternative to riding the MUP’s. Not all MUP’s go where a cyclist needs to be. It is safe & legal to ride bike on all of the roadways surveyed. Some roadways are for more experienced cyclists but there are other alternatives for those not comfortable with riding on said roadways.

    Rating: The roadways surveyed all have a rating, 1 through 8, which indicates the over all surface conditions based on the opinion of the cyclist who conducted the survey. A roadway with a surface condition of 4 or worse should be improved so the roadway surface is better for all users.

    Complete Streets: There is no prescribed design for a Complete Street. The definition of a Complete Street is a roadway that accommodates motorists, cyclists & pedestrians. It is stated in the report whether or not the roadway is a Complete Street. If it not the roadway needs to be improved so it is a Complete Street. All of the roadways that are not Complete Streets are because of the lack of adequate pedestrian facilities. Adequate pedestrian facilities include but are not limited to a sidewalk/path wide enough for a person walking & a person in a wheel chair to easily & safely pass and have curb cuts where the sidewalk/path meet the street. All sidewalks/paths should be at least 8 foot wide. Not all sidewalks/paths need to or should be MUP’s that allow bicycle traffic. In a lot of cases it is safer for everyone on the roadway if the bicycle traffic uses the street surface vs. the sidewalk/path.

    Signage: The biggest problem on all of the existing bike routes is a severe lack of signage. There is no where near enough. Where ever a bike route turns or changes directions there needs to be a sign indicating which direction. There should be signs every mile along the route and signs indicating the beginning and end of the route as well as signs indicating an alternate route. Along major thorough fares, Hamilton, Floyd and Riverside Blvd’s there needs to be SHARE THE ROAD SIGNAGE as they are 4 lane roadways with higher traffic volume.

    Starting Point: All bike routes surveyed started at Albrecht’s Cycle on 5th and Water Streets. There were 3 routes surveyed in a loop pattern. Some parts of the routes surveyed overlap & use the same roadways. The survey is for both sides of the roadway.

    Other suggested improvements: When a roadway is improved to meet the definition of a Complete Street or improved in general it is highly recommended that utilities that can be buried are buried. This makes the city look nicer & gives it a cleaner look. Plus it reduces the chance of interruption of utility services from weather & environment.

    Elimination of Bicycle Routes: The section of bike route from the Hamilton Blvd, Chris Larsen Rd & I-29 interchange to W 1st St. should be eliminated. There is no easy way for a cyclist to navigate through traffic in this area. At the time the bike route was established Hamilton Blvd was probably a 2 lane roadway with no where near the traffic volume or the speed limit it has today. Navigation through this area on a bicycle is very difficult.

    Area surveyed: North, West, Riverside & downtown area of Sioux City, Iowa.
    * = Existing bike route.
    ** = New potential or possible alternate bike route.

    Rating System:
    1 = Very Poor
    2 = Poor
    3 = Fair
    4 = Average
    5 = Good
    6 = Very Good
    7 = Excellent
    8 = Perfect

    North Side Loop:
    ** Water St from 5th Street to 6th Street
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** 6th St from Water St to Wesley Parkway
    Rating – 5, Complete Street - Yes

    ** Wesley Parkway from 6th St to W 8th & Bluff Streets
    Rating – 7, Complete Street – Yes

    ** W 8th St from Bluff to W 14th & Geneva Streets
    Rating – 1, Complete Street – No

    ** W 14th from Geneva & W 8th to Center St.
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – No

    ** Center St from W 14th to W 19th
    Rating – 6, Complete Street – No

    ** Center Street from W 19th to W 21st St.
    Rating – 1, Complete Street – No

    * W 21st St from Center St to Myrtle
    Rating – 4, Compete Street – No

    * Myrtle from W 21st St to W Clifton
    Rating – 4, Compete Street – No

    At the intersection of Myrtle & W Clifton a cyclist can turn left to continue on the existing bike route to ride around by Briar Cliff ending up on Broken Kettle Rd to K18 South. Or turn right to continue on W Clifton to Hamilton Blvd.

    * W Clifton from Myrtle to Stone Park Blvd
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** Stone Park Blvd from W Clifton to Hamilton Blvd
    Rating – 8, Complete Street – Yes
    This is how all roadways should be. This section serves as a great example as to how all of Sioux City’s roadways should look be like in terms of surface and Complete Street conditions.

    ** Hamilton Blvd from Stone Park Blvd to Outer Dr.
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – No

    * Outer Dr. from Hamilton Blvd to Indian Hills Dr.
    Rating – 7, Complete Street – Yes

    * Outer Dr. from Indian Hills Dr to Floyd Blvd
    Rating – 3, Complete Street – No

    At the intersection of Hamilton and Floyd Blvd’s a cyclist can turn left onto Floyd, ride to Jefferson St., and turn right to access the Floyd MUP. Or turn right on Floyd to ride toward Historic 4th St & other points south.

    ** Floyd Blvd from Outer Dr. to Jefferson
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** Floyd Blvd from Outer Dr to 33rd St.
    Rating – 7, Complete Street – Yes

    ** Floyd Blvd from 33rd St to 4th St.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** 4th St from Floyd Blvd to Iowa St.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** Iowa St. from 4th St to 3rd St.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** 3rd St from Iowa St. to Water St.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** Water St. from 3rd St. to 5th St.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    North Side Loop (Continued):
    This is what is thought to be the existing bike route on the north side of town from Stone Park Blvd to Hamilton Blvd. The existing information is not clear on what streets the route is on and the streets may have been changed since this route was established and parts of the route may now be blocked off. This route could be in addition to the above route

    * Lindenwood from Stone Park Blvd to Maplewood:
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    * Maplewood from Lindenwood to Sylvian Ave
    Rating – 6, Complete Street – No

    * Sylvian Ave. from Maplewood to Orchard St.
    Rating – 6, Complete Street – No

    * Orchard St from Sylvian Ave to W 40th St.
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – No

    * W 40th from Orchard St. to Perry Way
    Rating – 4 , Complete St – No

    * Perry Way from W 40th to Country Club Blvd
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – Yes

    * Country Club Blvd from Perry Way to Kings Hwy
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    * Kings Hwy from Country Club Blvd to Perry Way
    Rating – 2, Complete Street – No

    * Perry Way from Kings Hwy to Kings Hwy
    Rating – 1, Complete Street – No

    * Kings Hwy from Perry Way to Meadow Ln
    Rating – 1, Complete Street – No

    * Meadow Ln from Kings Hwy to Victoria Ct.
    Rating – 2, Complete Street – No

    * Victoria Ct from Meadow Ln to Hamilton Blvd
    Rating – 3, Complete Street – No

    * Hamilton Blvd from Victoria Ct to Outer Dr.
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – Yes

    West Side Loop Part 1:

    ** Water St from 5th Street to 6th Street
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** 6th St from Water St to Wesley Parkway
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – Yes

    ** W 4th St from Wesley Parkway to Rebecca St.
    Rating – 3, Complete Street – No

    At the intersection of Rebecca St. & W 4th St a cyclist can turn left toward W 1st St or turn right to head north. This section of Rebecca is part of the existing bike route.

    * Rebecca St from W 4th St to W 1st St.
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – No

    * W 1st St from Rebecca St to Leonard St
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    * Leonard St from W 1st St to W 4th St
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    * W 4th St from Leonard St to Fieldcrest
    Rating – 7, Complete Street – No

    * War Eagle Dr from Fieldcrest to Riverside Blvd
    Rating – 7, Complete Street – No

    West Side Loop Part 2:

    * Rebecca St. from W 4th St to W 21st St.
    Rating – 3, Complete Street – No

    * W 21st St from Rebecca to Myrtle St
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    From this intersection a cyclist can turn left on Myrtle & continue north or continue to Center St & head south.

    West Side Loop Part 3:

    ** Military Rd. from Riverside Blvd to Casselman
    Rating – 7, Complete Street – No

    ** Casselman from Military Rd. to W 4th St.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No


    When the construction on Military Rd. is finished it will be better for a cyclist to navigate a bicycle from the intersection of Casselman & Military to W 21st St. then from there to Myrtle, Center & W 19th Streets.

    West Side Loop Part 4:

    Another connection between the west side & Riverside is W 19th St. it is part of the existing bike route.

    * W 19th St from Center St to Riverside Blvd.
    Rating – 2, Complete Street - No

    Riverside Loop Part 1:

    * Riverside Blvd from War Eagle Dr. to Military Rd.
    Rating – 6, Complete Street – No

    * Military Rd. from Riverside Blvd to Iowa/South Dakota Border:
    Rating – 2, Complete Street – No

    Riverside Loop Part 2:

    ** Florence Ave from Riverside Blvd to Claridge Ave.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    ** Claridge Ave. from Florence Ave. to River Dr. South
    Rating – 5, Complete Street – No

    ** River Dr. South from Claridge to Dacotah Ave.
    Rating – 6, Complete Street – No

    ** River Dr. from Dacotah Ave to Military Rd.
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No
    Riverside Loop Part 3:

    * Boies from Military Rd to Paul Ave
    Rating – 4, Complete Street – No

    * Paul Ave from Boies to Riverside Blvd
    Rating – 5, Complete Street - No
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    The Sioux City Parks & Rec. Director likes the report I submitted. He is going to color code it & send it to the city engineers office. Hopefully this will spark some improvments on the roadways in this city.

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