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    Baby boomers getting older, retiring & still wanting to drive.

    This is kind of a segway from a few other threads that mention baby boomers getting older, retiring & still wanting to drive.

    First of all I am glad to know a lot of baby boomers are cyclists. I know & are friends with quite a few because of cycling.

    If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.

    I wonder what will happen when the the BB's start having to give up their driving priviliges. Will it be more difficult to prevent them from driving then it is the current generation this is happening to? They think they are entitled to everything so what will happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    .........(it's segue)...............................They think they are entitled to everything so what will happen?
    When we are pushed to the wall, we will turn on the next generation coming up and massacre most of them. This will go a long way toward relieving the pent up social pressures of overpopulation. Be careful how you treat us..... you do NOT want to piss us off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.

    I wonder what will happen when the the BB's start having to give up their driving priviliges. Will it be more difficult to prevent them from driving then it is the current generation this is happening to? They think they are entitled to everything so what will happen?
    Do you think this is only a trait of the Baby Boomers? I think you just described the majority of Americans, regardless of age. Many have good intentions, and don't think twice about their choice to drive, and even drive large, heavy vehicles.

    Most of think in terms of "they". "They" will find a new form of transportation. "They" have invented a car that runs on water. "They" will discover an endless source of free, cheap energy. With this logic, you can fill in the blank with just about anything. "They" ________
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    more older(50+) people with more free time voting more often

    fewer young people with less free time voting less often

    could this become the next big issue? - oops, too late we're already there

    I just wonder, with ever increasing life expectancy, if it will ever balance out but that's another matter all together
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    Of course if they kill themselves in auto accidents it just may save social security.

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    Your oldest Boomer is 61, not to terribly old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.
    As a tail-end Boomer, I think this attitude gets progressively worse with each younger generation. It's all me, me, me and now, now, now. Too many people expect instant gratification and it just doesn't happen, so they get upset.

    I also think that a lot of the problem with bad driving, whether related to age or other factors, could be solved by requiring all holders of a DL to periodically retest. More extensive testing than is currently required that would also cover 1st aid, basic maintenance, legal requirements for pedestrians and cyclists, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun
    As a tail-end Boomer, I think this attitude gets progressively worse with each younger generation. It's all me, me, me and now, now, now. Too many people expect instant gratification and it just doesn't happen, so they get upset.

    I also think that a lot of the problem with bad driving, whether related to age or other factors, could be solved by requiring all holders of a DL to periodically retest. More extensive testing than is currently required that would also cover 1st aid, basic maintenance, legal requirements for pedestrians and cyclists, etc.
    I qualified for my DL in 1977, when if you could drive around the block, and parrallel park without hitting another vehicle, you got your licence. For my employer (courier company), I recently had to retest (to qualify for a driving position), this meant a new written and road test, I passed both by a healthy margin, in a big courier van no less. Yeah, I agree with you, retesting is a good idea, should be a written test every licence renewal, to see how well your knowledge is holding up. If you do really well on the written test, say 90+% then that's probably a sufficient, test of knowledge. If you get say 80% - 90% you need to take a road test as well, less then 80, well, you can buy a drivers handbook for $5, and go study, if you then pass, you still need a road test, no matter how high you score. Here is the kicker, no pass, no licence..... The DOT would have say 10 different tests, with some different questions, and the ones that are the same, but have different answers.

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    So what some fo you are saying is cyclists are safe from BB's resisting giving up their driving due to problems associated with age for at least another 15 to 20 years.

    BTW, my generation, often refered to as generation X is as I understand it why we have a lot of safety items in households now. Things like the plastic electric outlet plug covers, the sink cabinet door locks, the bumpers for the corners of coffee tables & the blow up bumper for tub faucets. I guess we got hurt to much as children so now as parents we want to prevent that with our own kids. If you ask me it helped make us tough. I think a lot of kids these days are a little too soft & weak & maybe not as adventureous. It was not uncommon for me to come home with skinned up knees, etc from playing. These days it seems parents freak out about it. My mom just said don't get blood on the carpet & clean up before dinner. It was also because of my generation that wearing a bike helmet became a big issue. I never wore on, as far as I knew they didn't exist. Or they were to expensive for mom to afford, you could not find one at the local dept. store like you can now.

    So what happened between my generation & the current one? I'm all for being safe, but let kids go out & get dirty & maybe a little skinned up, it's good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.
    Well shoot, are you sure this is undeniable?
    I have never met a baby boomer that felt like they were intitled to any thing they didnt earn through thier own hard work.
    So I think it is a very deniable fact.
    Which would in fact mean its not a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    I wonder what will happen when the the BB's start having to give up their driving priviliges. Will it be more difficult to prevent them from driving then it is the current generation this is happening to? They think they are entitled to everything so what will happen?
    Same thing that will happen when they have to start taking things away from you that you dont want to give up.


    What is really interesting is how you felt the need to insult the people that build bicycles.
    The people that created the people that ride bikes today.
    You, a person that obviously feel you are intitled to the things you want, a person that obviously feels your rights are being violated by the majority, feels the need to insult the very people that fought and died to give you the things you want.

    Are there any people that you actually like?

    Are you really willing to give up the the things you beleive in, to prove that people shouldnt have the right to persue the things they enjoy.

    I hate being called a baby boomer by a generation that cant keep their pants on.
    I hate being called a baby boomer by the generation that b..... ah s**t what s the use.

    Bet you really hate them folks that fought in the civl war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    So what some fo you are saying is cyclists are safe from BB's resisting giving up their driving due to problems associated with age for at least another 15 to 20 years.

    No,
    You are just as safe from our generation as you are from your generation.
    We aint out to kill you or take away your rights.
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    You'll want to drive as long a possible too, don't kid yourself.

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    So what happened between my generation & the current one?
    24/7 sensationalized news, governmental nannyism, and sensitivity training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
    24/7 sensationalized news, governmental nannyism, and sensitivity training.
    And don't forget liability lawsuits...

    IMHO we aren't going to have to worry too much about babyboomer drivers drivng at age 80...go read the Peak Oil thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc
    And don't forget liability lawsuits...

    IMHO we aren't going to have to worry too much about babyboomer drivers drivng at age 80...go read the Peak Oil thread

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    You're right I forgot about that. I just got done reading The Long Emergency too. It is very possible we'll run out of oil or it will become way to expensive to produce it in my lifetime, I'm going to be 35 in Nov.

    Explain to me how someone can be sued for a kid getting hurt while playing on public land. My brother & I used to go down to a creek exploring & walking along it ended at the river where access was blocked off for saftey reasons but we could climb up from the creek bed before we got to the access & into a city park. The whole area is still public land. Had we been hurt I don't think my mom could have sued it is land for public use. Cities also post signs in parks with rules & regs. plus a disclosure that states use is at your own risk. Maybe this is not worth anymore then the material it is printed on but doesn't it prevent the cities from being sued for anything other then their neglience? Also there is a lot of playground equipment still used in city parks that fall under a grand-father clause & maybe even the land itself does too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    This is kind of a segway from a few other threads that mention baby boomers getting older, retiring & still wanting to drive.

    First of all I am glad to know a lot of baby boomers are cyclists. I know & are friends with quite a few because of cycling.

    If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.

    I wonder what will happen when the the BB's start having to give up their driving priviliges. Will it be more difficult to prevent them from driving then it is the current generation this is happening to? They think they are entitled to everything so what will happen?

    I really wonder why you would post something like this.

    It's a lot like talking before really thinking what you are saying. You make a generalization about an entire generation of citizens and say:
    "If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude."
    The only undeniable fact I can see is that you are a wannabe elitist who seems to think anyone really cares what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauphin
    you live to piss people off, don't you?
    You almost nailed him ... you forgot to mention he is a Socialist with a touch of Elitist

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    So what is your favorite dystopia senerio ??

    Road Warrior
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    I lean toward Road Warrior myself..the fashions are cooler.

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    Okay, as a BB, going to be 61 soon, I feel that I can comment on this, but it applies only to myself. Before I do, I have a few specific comments to make.
    Quote Originally Posted by N C
    So what happened between my generation & the current one? I'm all for being safe, but let kids go out & get dirty & maybe a little skinned up, it's good for them....

    ...Also there is a lot of playground equipment still used in city parks that fall under a grand-father clause & maybe even the land itself does too.
    Kids need to get dirty--that's how they get their minerals if you don't provide it in their diet That comes from my zoology professor from Oregon State University in the 1960s. Kids in extremely clean environments don't get their immune systems in gear to meet the challenges of this earthly environment.

    When you take your kids to the playground, and see this old equipment, break the chains apart. If they have not been replaced since the playground equipment was installed, it is possible that the links are worn and about to part. I've investigated a school ground where this actually happened for a little girl, who was over pavement swinging (the swing set was placed on pavement), going up when the chain broke. She landed on her head and was in a coma for awhile. I then checked my kid's playground at their school, and found the same thing. So check it out before you trust your kids to old playground equipment.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Wilke
    You'll want to drive as long a possible too, don't kid yourself.
    As I said, I cannot speak for others, but I don't expect to drive beyond when I'm capable of doing it. When will that be? Only time will tell. But I expect to be bicycling, swimming and diving (skin and scuba) into my 80, and perhaps beyond.

    We are a very diverse generation, so you cannot peg us all with one statement. Some will have problems, so won't. Some protested Vietnam, and some of us served in it too. It's an individual thing, and I think you cannot generalize anything about BBs. I will also be doing a lot of walking.

    If you'll remember the Indian Wars (maybe they don't cover that in schools these days), there was one Apache chief who, when jumped by the US Army, ran out into the desert for many, many miles and was not caught. I think he was in his 90s at the time. (I'll remember his name sometime around 2 AM tomorrow morning.)

    John

    PS--Well, it apparently was Chief Victorio, and he wasn't in his 90s, but age 52 when he led his Mimbreno Apaches away from the US Army for three years in 1877. That probably seems like the 90s seem today to a grade schooler. Here's a link:

    http://www.greatdreams.com/apache/apache-warriors.htm
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    Maybe we could just line em up against the wall when they come of age?

    If they're incapable of navigating a car, we surely don't want them wandering about on foot or a bike. Let's herd them all in a pen, strip them of thier belongs and implement a solution.

    What age are you looking at? Should we have a gradual phase in, maybe minorities first, or just go for it and have a Crystal Night kind of event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John C. Ratliff

    If you'll remember the Indian Wars (maybe they don't cover that in schools these days), there was one Apache chief who, when jumped by the US Army, ran out into the desert for many, many miles and was not caught. I think he was in his 90s at the time. (I'll remember his name sometime around 2 AM tomorrow morning.)

    John

    PS--Well, it apparently was Chief Victorio, and he wasn't in his 90s, but age 52 when he led his Mimbreno Apaches away from the US Army for three years in 1877. That probably seems like the 90s seem today to a grade schooler. Here's a link:

    http://www.greatdreams.com/apache/apache-warriors.htm
    Remember also Geronimo (real name: Goyathlay) the Apache leader who resisted ethnic cleansing & was pursued by one-quarter of the US Army & some 3000 Mexican soldiers. With only a small number of his band left, he surrendered in 1886 at age 57 after years of guerrilla combat in the unforgiving desert.

    http://www.indians.org/welker/geronimo.htm

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    I'm going to be 35 in Nov.
    REEEEALLY???
    I had you pegged at North of 80! Sitting in your single wide mobile home, all by yourself, watching the world go on by without you. And hating every minute of it!

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    Elderly drivers who were driving long past their capability to do so safely has been a problem since the WWII generation. I remember my grandma's driving. Oooh. Gives me shivers. But at least she never drove an SUV text messaging with one hand, drinking a latte with the other, and periodically slapping the kids in the back seat while folding laundry on the freeway.
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