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    Every lane is a bike lane Chris L's Avatar
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    Originally posted by PapeteeBooh
    Some of the perception of danger is F***ed up in my opinion. Large cars are rated safer but safer for who? IF the statistics took into account solely the number of fatalities cause by the car, motorcycle or bike running over somebody (which is not sillier than only taking into account drivers' death after all). One would get quite a different picture. If your vehicle only get others killed it is safe? Hmm. THat logic escapes me.:confused:
    Unfortunately, most folks are pretty stupid. They tend to believe what they want to believe, and basically the maggots who work in advertising and the media want people to believe that "you are the only person in the world and everyone else is out there to get you" and unfortunately that's what most folks want to believe as well. Hence their perception of safety only relates to what happens to them and nobody else.

    Originally posted by PapeteeBooh

    However, even though I know that not all commuters agree with it. I think that well design bike trails, as well as cycling path are also critical for our safety. Personally I like them.
    They probably would be, but I'm yet to see a well designed off-road path anywhere! I mean, what the designers of these things forget is that cycle commuters still have to get to work on time like everyone else. It's just too hard to do that on the paths we have around here. Hence, I use the road.

    I honestly believe the only purpose served by off-road paths is a place to teach children how to ride. Apart from that, they're useless.

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    Originally posted by PapeteeBooh
    Bicycles are safe it is just that cars are endagering them.
    I agree. This is obvious!

    ...If your vehicle only get others killed it is safe? Hmm. THat logic escapes me.:confused:
    I agree again. Why is it that with all the emphasis on safety these days, such as reinforced frames, air bags, safety belts, brakes, tires that don't go flat right away after puncturing, etc., somehow this part goes unmentioned? Pedestrian fatalities are far more numerous than cycling fatalities. Does that make walking dangerous? :confused:

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    Every lane is a bike lane Chris L's Avatar
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    Originally posted by Pete Clark


    Pedestrian fatalities are far more numerous than cycling fatalities. Does that make walking dangerous? :confused:
    Yes, walking is dangerous! We should never walk anywhere again. Instead you should get into a massive, huge (but safe) truck to cover the ten metres you need to in order to get your mail! That's it! Nobody should ever walk again!

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    Originally posted by Chris L


    Yes, walking is dangerous! We should never walk anywhere again. Instead you should get into a massive, huge (but safe) truck to cover the ten metres you need to in order to get your mail! That's it! Nobody should ever walk again!

    Chris
    A pretty marketable idea! I'll go see Ford tomorrow to suggest them to build so specilialized car designed to protect you while going to get your mail in then morning.

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    Damn, ahmo get me a tank. Blow enny won off da rode.

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    In my town there were 5 cycling fatalities, and 4 of them involved pickup trucks or SUV's. There are too many people in machines that they can't handle. While vehicles have gotten wider and taller it seems to me that lanes have gotten narrower. And bicycle lanes are free parking spaces.

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    This afternoon I was taking it easy after a ride looking at a bike catalog in my bedroom and I heard a sound like my garage door opening.I looked in the garage and the door was closed.I looked outside and there was a neighbor's Jeep Cherokee in the road looking bad.He had run over 2 mailboxes and hit a lightpole and broke it in half.The guy was saying "I don't know what happened".I live on a residential street where the speed limit is 30mph but there are so many kids playing and riding bikes you have to be nuts to go that fast.There is no way this guy was doing 30mph,the light pole was a good 40 feet from the mail boxes.Doesn't know what happened,dumbass.You know what really burns me up is the cops never even gave him a sobriety test,I was keeping an eye out for it.

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    A book I was reading on Chicago history described the notice that was put out to motorists when driver's license tests were first put into effect. Among the various rules that the drivers had to follow was one that stated that motorists were not to exceed 8 miles per hour.

    But even with a posted speed limit of 8 miles per hour, the first automobile accident fatality happened less than a year later....

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    Originally posted by Paige
    This afternoon I was taking it easy after a ride looking at a bike catalog in my bedroom and I heard a sound like my garage door opening.I looked in the garage and the door was closed.I looked outside and there was a neighbor's Jeep Cherokee in the road looking bad.He had run over 2 mailboxes and hit a lightpole and broke it in half.The guy was saying "I don't know what happened".I live on a residential street where the speed limit is 30mph but there are so many kids playing and riding bikes you have to be nuts to go that fast.There is no way this guy was doing 30mph,the light pole was a good 40 feet from the mail boxes.Doesn't know what happened,dumbass.You know what really burns me up is the cops never even gave him a sobriety test,I was keeping an eye out for it.
    This all reminds me of something that happened to a friend of mine last year sometime. He heard a crash outside the front of his house and went to see what happened. It turned out to be a car that smashed into something, so he went to help the driver. For his trouble, he got a gobful of abuse from a drunken yob who seemed to think my friend was at fault because this yob couldn't drive for sh*t.

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    Here are some facts and statistics to throw into the fire. Important reading for everyone's health and safety.
    http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/hfaq.html#A8

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    Here are some facts and statistics to throw into the fire.
    Facts? Carefully selected statistics are nothing more than carefully selected statistics.

    This FAQ was assembled by a group opposed to legislated helmet laws. Their presentation makes me immediately suspicious, as does their collection of "facts".

    I'm not buying it. More nonsence than fact, imho.

    Just my 2 cents worth.
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    I would just like the usual two questions answered: "who says" and "so what". They seem to be saying a lot of stuff about helmets that I've said for a long time. Those being, helmets will protect against some head injuries but offer no substitute for sensible cycling. So what? As I've said before, I'll utilise both forms of protection.

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    A Government report in Australia (or something like that) said :

    'If motorcycles were invented today, they would be banned.'

    Now, I'm not sure if pushbikes would be banned, but they would certainly be insured, licensed, and restricted to people over 16.

    The fact that they are not is mainly due to historic accident more than anything else.

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    Originally posted by john999
    A Government report in Australia (or something like that) said :

    'If motorcycles were invented today, they would be banned.'

    The same is probably true of railroads with at-grade crossings and perhaps even automobiles.

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    Me personally, I donīt wear a helmet, I just wear a bandana. But 2 days ago an inlineskater bumped into me and we both fell quite hard. For Godīs sake nothing serious happened, but my Ultegra is a bit damaged and some parts have to be substituted. So now, I surely will buy a helmet next week or so, who knows whatīs happening next. Those modern helmets are so light, you donīt even feel them much. I thought about this Met Stradivarius, not the cheapest though, but itīs light, itīs safe and it looks good.

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    Originally posted by Piratello
    Me personally, I donīt wear a helmet, I just wear a bandana. But 2 days ago an inlineskater bumped into me and we both fell quite hard. ... So now, I surely will buy a helmet next week or so, who knows whatīs happening next. Those modern helmets are so light, you donīt even feel them much.
    Smart move! A helmet can make a big difference in a low-speed collision, particularly if your head strikes a curb.
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    Originally posted by John E

    Smart move! A helmet can make a big difference in a low-speed collision, particularly if your head strikes a curb.
    It can also make a difference if you land head first after falling off at 40km/h (I know!!!)
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    "Tall vehicles" SUV's or 4x4 pickups do produce different behaviors in their operators than passenger cars; a Ferrari or a Lincoln Town Car doesn't give it's operator the high and mighty feeling of a Chevy Subdivision or Ford Excretion. As for me, if I ever see someone vandalizing or breaking into a passenger car I'll call the cops--but if they're trashing or trying to steal an SUV I'll look the other way and whisper "mazel tov" under my breath as I walk away! Dominance devices aren't property that should be protected by the state.

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    Originally posted by Feldman
    "Tall vehicles" SUV's or 4x4 pickups do produce different behaviors in their operators than passenger cars...Dominance devices aren't property that should be protected by the state.
    Seriously, when driving I seem to notice a great number of pickups following too closely with the obvious intent to intimidate the driver in front of them into moving over or speeding up. Of course, I see this in small cars too, but the effect is less intimidating; small cars seem to be more likely to weave in and out like a bee.

    One wonders the candlepower of some drivers' seat of consciousness when one witnesses such behavior, which I liken to a more instinctively driven, rather than reason-driven, life form.

    Bananas, anyone?
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    I think many SUV drivers select these monstrosities for the same in-your-face reason that people play loud music, build McMansions in the suburbs, shout into their cellphones, or otherwise draw attention to themselves. Since so many of them lack even a qualitative understanding of the simple fundamental laws of basic Newtonian physics (no relativistic quantum electrodynamics Ph.D. required!), they also roll these "safe" vehicles with astonishing regularity.

    Part of the problem is that today's automotive technology, particularly for luxury cars and large SUVs, thoroughly isolates the motorist from the environment, in the interest of "reducing driver stress." The motorist is lulled into the false sense of security that he/she is sitting in a room, enjoying a high-quality audio (and, cringe, coming soon ... video!) system.
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    Originally posted by LittleBigMan

    Seriously, when driving I seem to notice a great number of pickups following too closely with the obvious intent to intimidate the driver in front of them into moving over or speeding up.
    I actually have more problems with utes/pick-ups than with all other vehicles on the road combined. I don't know whether it's the advertising they get in this country or what, but this has been going on far too long to be just a coincidence.


    Originally posted by John E
    ...(and, cringe, coming soon ... video!) system.
    Please tell me this isn't true.
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    Originally posted by Fatal Justice
    Please tell me this isn't true.
    sorry to tell you chris, but you can get a vcr/dvd player installed in your vehicle for less then $200 (usd) and some luxury vehicles come with them standard!!
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    Originally posted by Fatal Justice


    Oh no, not this Arek guy again. He really is a grade-A tosser (Joe, I am not flaming John E, Arek is the guy who runs the URL above). Someone should tell him that life is dangerous, and that with his view on the world, one would never leave their house. Well actually, one would never enter their house either, since most accidents happen in the home.

    Guess that mean's I'm gonna die! Well, aren't we all.



    Personally I'm getting sick of all the bullsh*t about the car being the only safe mode of transport in existence. It's utter crap. I have often ridden the nearby Burringbar Range without any incident whatsoever, while many motoring primates there have made themselves available to natural selection on many occasions. As I said above, I ride in excess of 15,000 km/year and I'm still alive.

    If cycling is dangerous, I must be indestructable or something

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    Dear Fatal Justice & the rest ,

    Arek's comments may be correct at certain instances but I can't and don't really agree whole-heartedly with what was written on www.yes-but.net/cycling_is_dangerous.html , whoever wrote it.

    Cycling is definitely environmentally friendly since it does not create any major pollution except for the "frame rust" and the "tiny amount of oil" on the bike chains. On top of that, cycling is good for your leg muscles and overall general health.

    However, I do agree that cycling on roads is getting dangerous nowadays especially in urban areas and countries in Singapore.
    Many motorists are responsible for road deaths , some being druken and impatience drivers (Sometimes we even have road hoards).

    It's the way we use the roads, generally speaking, cycling is safe if there are responsible road users ALL around, but hardly we see that in the country I live in. Many are very impatient with pedestrains and will sometimes will horn at you if you are slow & the motorists will try to get past you even before you have finished crossing the road.

    We can't get rid of accidents totally since nowadays they are so common due to human errors and what the Bible describes the days we are living in are difficult times (1 Timothy 3:1-5), but we can minimise the chances of getting them by educating your kids, cyclists, and CONSTANTLY look out for errant drivers on the road.

    Lastly , PRAY really Hard for God's peacful world to come where there are no accidents!
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    Originally posted by Asia_biker

    However, I do agree that cycling on roads is getting dangerous nowadays especially in urban areas and countries in Singapore.
    Many motorists are responsible for road deaths , some being druken and impatience drivers

    We can't get rid of accidents totally since nowadays they are so common due to human errors and what the Bible describes the days we are living in are difficult times (1 Timothy 3:1-5), but we can minimise the chances of getting them by educating your kids, cyclists, and CONSTANTLY look out for errant drivers on the road.

    Lastly , PRAY really Hard for God's peacful world to come where there are no accidents!
    ... and in the meantime, strongly advocate for stricter accountability for motorists.


    Although this is not a theology forum, I recommend the writings and/or videotaped lectures of Professors Marcus Borg and Huston Smith to you.
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    Originally posted by John E


    ... and in the meantime, strongly advocate for stricter accountability for motorists.


    Although this is not a theology forum, I recommend the writings and/or videotaped lectures of Professors Marcus Borg and Huston Smith to you.
    Dear John,
    Are their works copyrighted? Maybe you can publish some excerts here to share with all of us here?

    Our lives are at stake under the shadow of this world now.
    Every moment of our lives are so uncertain, I doubt any humans' lectures/philosophies can settle or solve them nowadays.
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