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    Poll: Share the Road graphic – your opinion

    Ever since a SUV driver yelled at me to “Share the road” and get out of his way I have been thinking about better ways to get the message across. Typical signage in MD is a picture of a bike with the words “Share the Road” below which reads as “Bikes share the road” which is not exactly the best message we want to convey to the motoring public.

    So I came up with the following concept art for “Share the Road” as I think it better illustrates that bikes and cars cannot share the same lane width. The idea would be to put this on bumper stickers or on other types of ads.

    Share the road.gif

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    Note: The art is a hack of something TransAlt did.
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    I tend to agree that Share the Road tends to be interpreted as:
    "cyclist will giveway to roadhog motorists."

    I am not sure your sign helps either, as it seems to be an indicator for motorists to push cyclists off the road. I know the slash should negate that... but...

    The only sign I have ever seen that makes it somewhat clear is this:

    And even that Change Lanes to Pass can be ambiguous to some motorists.

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    I think it would be better to have the side profiles of a short line of cars and bikes. Like bike car bike car bike car. To show that bikes are legitimate traffic. Might be too long for a sign though.

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    It's cute, but it could be interpreted as "No Bicycles".
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    Honestly... it kinda looks like it would make people run bikers off the road because it looks humorous to do so.
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    The picture Gene posted most clearly gets the point across over anything else I've seen.

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    In Pittsburgh we have some yellow diamond "Share the Road" signs with a dotted line down the middle and a bike on one side and a car on the other. I think anyway. Maybe my memory is bad.

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    We have these signs in Texas
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    HumanCar, I can see how you intend your sign to be read...but I think a lot of motorists will take it to mean, "Cyclists stay out of the lane or you'll get run off the road."

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    I much prefer "Bicycles in Road" to "Share the Road." STR is just too ambiguous, it's not going to change anyone's beliefs. If someone believes that bicyles don't belong in travel lanes, they can interpret it to mean that bikes have to get out of the way of cars. Yellow road signs are supposed to be cautions; BIR cautions motorists that they might have to slow or leave their lane. It's totally unclear what STR is cautioning about.

    I also believe that STR is prefered by transportation officials because it is ambiguous; it allows them to say they are doing something for cyclists, without explicitly endorsing the idea of riding in the travel lane. That's a controversial idea, and political types tend to shy away from controversy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec
    I tend to agree that Share the Road tends to be interpreted as:
    "cyclist will giveway to roadhog motorists."

    I am not sure your sign helps either, as it seems to be an indicator for motorists to push cyclists off the road. I know the slash should negate that... but...

    The only sign I have ever seen that makes it somewhat clear is this:

    And even that Change Lanes to Pass can be ambiguous to some motorists.
    I like this better than STR.

    I almost got into a fist fight with a butthole in a pick-up truck, because he too honestly thought "Share The Road" was meant as a message to cyclists. Due to his interpretation, he started honking his horn for me to get out of his way as I took the lane at a stop sign. Then he proceeded to *** his way around me, doing at least 40 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. I happened to have a camera with me at the time, so I took pictures of his vehicle and him when I caught up with him. He didn't like that and that's when we almost got into it right in the middle of the street. He was old... I would've kicked his ass.
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    In general, signs are worthless. Most traffic engineers now consider them to be "visual pollution".

    They clutter up the visual environment, and are ignored by at least 70% of drivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRacer
    He didn't like that and that's when we almost got into it right in the middle of the street. He was old... I would've kicked his ass.
    Never get in a fight with an old guy. If you lose you look like a loser, if you win you look like a jerk. It's a no win situation.

    Clearly, we need to educate drivers in the country far better than we do. It's not just bicycles, it's everything. So many drivers are completely clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az B
    Never get in a fight with an old guy. If you lose you look like a loser, if you win you look like a jerk. It's a no win situation.
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    the problem with the "SHARE THE ROAD"slogan is asshat drivers misinterpret it to mean cyclists need to share the road with THEM, and get out of their way. Several drivers have gotten all huffy in their cages, screaming, "SHARE THE ROAD" at me.

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    How about motorized vehicles yield to bikes??

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    I think "Bikes allowed full use of lane" only applies in certain situations where the road might be very narrow or dangerous. What's needed is a "Share the road" message that won't be misinterpreted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajman
    How about motorized vehicles yield to bikes??
    I think this gives too much to bikes. Particullarly in situations where the motor vehicle may have right-of-way, or the cyclist may be doing something illegal, like running a redlight.

    Quote Originally Posted by magic lobster
    I think "Bikes allowed full use of lane" only applies in certain situations where the road might be very narrow or dangerous. What's needed is a "Share the road" message that won't be misinterpreted.
    Bikes should be, here they are, allowed constant full use of the lane. Sure, the law says as far right as prcticable, but the exceptions:

    1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.

    2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

    3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, or substandard-width lane, that makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For the purposes of this subsection, a "substandard-width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.

    make this the cyclists call. These situations and hazards are not constant nor consistant, but are dynamic, not only occurring in narrow or otherwise hazardous road conditions.

    Now, if a cyclist decides not to use the full lane, that's up to them and how they perceive the situation at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun
    The picture Gene posted most clearly gets the point across over anything else I've seen.
    I agree 100% but it’s not in the MUTCD so there is a snowball chance in h*** that we can get that in MD. But I am thinking more bumper sticker type of application and that sign loses impact if it’s only on a bumper sticker.

    Shiznaz’s idea of silhouettes is kind of cute but I don’t know if the motorISTs will get it.

    How about “Share the road not the lane”?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    the problem with the "SHARE THE ROAD"slogan is asshat drivers misinterpret it to mean cyclists need to share the road with THEM, and get out of their way. Several drivers have gotten all huffy in their cages, screaming, "SHARE THE ROAD" at me.
    Response: Didn’t we used to play together when we were little?
    Driver: [looking puzzled]
    Continuing: I remember one kid who thought sharing meant everything was his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car
    How about “Share the road not the lane”?
    or

    Share the Road
    Take turns with the lane
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    How about "Play Nice And Share Otherwise The Government Won't Let Anybody Use The Roads." It's the PNASOTGWLAUTR campaign. Think it'll catch on?

    My serious comments: Bicycles allowed full use of lane is about the only saying that comes close to letting drivers know that they'll have to burn an extra calorie and turn the wheel 5 degrees to change lanes and pass. Share the Road sounds too much like "Cyclists move over" (honestly my interpretation back in high school and that of a few motorists I've encountered) and Bikes in Road sounds like "Look out, bicycle obstacle course up ahead."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car
    I remember one kid who thought sharing meant everything was his.
    That's what my ex-wife used to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCCommuter
    I also believe that STR is prefered by transportation officials because it is ambiguous; it allows them to say they are doing something for cyclists, without explicitly endorsing the idea of riding in the travel lane. That's a controversial idea, and political types tend to shy away from controversy.
    Ding ding ding. I agree completely. Just like how (at least in MD) they seem to be adding completely useless and poorly designed "Bike Lanes" in various areas. They don't serve any useful purpose but they allow politicians to claim they have "added X miles of bike lanes" in the state.


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    To the OP, yea I am not digging the sign. The only one I really like is Genec's. I never thought about the "share the road" being misinterpreted. Personally I think someone has to be pretty dense to do so.

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    The graphic makes it look like it's ok to run a cyclist off the road.
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