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    1960'S weid bicycle safety

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    Interesting, but part of me wonders if its a hoax or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22
    Interesting, but part of me wonders if its a hoax or not.
    I wondered, but every detail of it is period correct. It was definitely filmed back then. I have to think it was at least intended honestly. I especially like Edward Everett Horton doing the narration. Makes me wonder if it was made by Jay Ward. He'd be weird enough to do something like that.
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    Those faces remind me of Pink floyd and The Wall
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    Not a hoax. I have seen the movie before at a bicycle film fest last year the Iowa Bicycle Coalition put on in Des Moines. BTW the one who *** fat is not the one you think. You have to see the movie to the end to find out.

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    It's real. The narrator is Edward Everett Horton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas
    I wondered, but every detail of it is period correct.
    I would disagree - the character who had an old bike which was poorly maintained was riding a Schwinn Stingray - the Schwinn Stingray was introduced in 1963 - the same year that the film was purportedly made. In 1963, it would have been hard to convince someone that this bicycle would be old and poorly maintained.

    As an aside, I remember how excited I was when for Christmas 1968 I got a new Stingray style bike - it was still considered to be a very cool, radical bike design, 5 years after introduction. Mine had a 3 speed hub

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauerwald
    I would disagree - the character who had an old bike which was poorly maintained was riding a Schwinn Stingray - the Schwinn Stingray was introduced in 1963 - the same year that the film was purportedly made. In 1963, it would have been hard to convince someone that this bicycle would be old and poorly maintained.

    As an aside, I remember how excited I was when for Christmas 1968 I got a new Stingray style bike - it was still considered to be a very cool, radical bike design, 5 years after introduction. Mine had a 3 speed hub
    Interesting note, but look close. That isn't a Stingray. What it MIGHT be is a very interesting part of history. Legend has it that the Stingray started out in California with creative bicyclists cobbing up a "new style" bike out of old parts. Schwinn heard about it and sent some designers to go out and investigate. Schwinn eventually hired somebody (sorry, I can't remember his name - famous dude) to turn the crude ideas into the Stingray.

    So, it is very possible that this film captures one of those early Stingray inspirations.

    Perhaps telling is that the Stingray-like bike (and rider) is the one that gets run over by the big street roller machine because of poor maintanance. Did you notice the extra effort they took to put in that big pop-out eye in that ape mask just before he gets run over? Wow.

    One thing I find very interesting is that several of the bikes have ape-hanger handle bars which were not correct for the bicycles they were on. This is surely a glimpse into the age when things were really starting to pop. Notice the bike with the ape-hanger bars and the brakes mounted in the middle of the bars instead of near the grips. Dangerous to be sure, but obviously and indication of the type of experimentation going on in that area.

    Pretty cool really. Although the film itself is pretty creepy with those monkey masks and the kids dying in terrible crashes. I wonder how many of those wire tails ended up in the spokes of the wheel during the making of this film.

    Here is one thing that I thought was noteworthy- the "One who got Fat" was the lucky one - as in getting fat is cool. The dude followed all the rules, got to eat all of his dead friends' lunch, and was a fat-cat! How did that slip by us in 40 something years?
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    As an aside, I remember how excited I was when for Christmas 1968 I got a new Stingray style bike - it was still considered to be a very cool, radical bike design, 5 years after introduction. Mine had a 3 speed hub
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    A mostly valuable movie. I take objection to poor Phillip Floogal being hit by a car while riding against traffic. This is supposed to be a movie demonstrating proper riding safety, and the only legal way to ride on the road is against traffic. Way to prove your point, 1960's infotainment
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    I'm going with made in 1963. Because I can't see what looks to be a low budget film spending any money on restored circa 1963 vehicles on the side of the roads and other background shots.

    Notice the bike with the ape-hanger bars and the brakes mounted in the middle of the bars instead of near the grips. Dangerous to be sure, but obviously and indication of the type of experimentation going on in that area.
    Didn't notice that. But did notice a Sturmey Archer like shifter mounted on the stem. I've taken tinkered with a lot of old 3 speeds and never saw a shifter mounted on the stem.

    I don't recall seeing that as a kid. It was probably good back then, but I don't see it working with kids today. A Myth Busters(tm) doing a bike safety edition I think would work well today.

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    I can't imagine that today's school children would pay attention through that film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webist
    I can't imagine that today's school children would pay attention through that film.
    Then there's no way they'd sit through this 1989 bike safety film. I actually have a copy of it on VHS. I figured it would wind up on Youtube. It's amazingly bad.

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    Call me crazy, but I identify with the bikeless Mossby Pomegranate.
    Maybe he was an ardent libertarian who felt that bicycle registration was an illegal powergrab by the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocula
    Then there's no way they'd sit through this 1989 bike safety film. I actually have a copy of it on VHS. I figured it would wind up on Youtube. It's amazingly bad.
    Brought to you by AAA, turning would-be cyclists into motorists since 1989

    So many glaring problems with the instruction in that video. It was good entertainment during dinner though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unkchunk
    I'm going with made in 1963. Because I can't see what looks to be a low budget film spending any money on restored circa 1963 vehicles on the side of the roads and other background shots.



    Didn't notice that. But did notice a Sturmey Archer like shifter mounted on the stem. I've taken tinkered with a lot of old 3 speeds and never saw a shifter mounted on the stem.

    I don't recall seeing that as a kid. It was probably good back then, but I don't see it working with kids today. A Myth Busters(tm) doing a bike safety edition I think would work well today.
    Good point. I think the stem mounted SA shifter further evidences that these bikes are from a group of kids(?) who were being pretty creative with their bikes switching parts out, moving them around, etc.

    You have to admit that it is quite a variety of bicycle types. You have the early 60's Murray spaceliner type bike, the 3-speed English racer, a Schwinn Varsity (or Continental) which would have been a new sensation at time, a Stingray predicessor, and all kinds of other machines. It is pretty exciting from a collector's point of view; not so much because of the rare bikes, but the things that were being done to the bikes at that time period.

    It is fun to watch for sure and it is historically important from a cultural standpoint as well as a bicycle history standpoint. The fact that there was enough bicycle use at the time to warrant such a film is fascinating in itself. I would LOVE to see a large group of kids riding bicycles like that - actually going somewhere rather than just up the block and back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocula
    It's real. The narrator is Edward Everett Horton.

    Hehehe...
    That's the same guy who narrated "Fractured Fairy Tales" from Rocky and Bullwinkle.

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    Then there's no way they'd sit through this 1989 bike safety film
    I made it to the 1 minute and 8 second mark. Can anyone top that? I was eating a sandwhich so I couldn't have stopped it sooner.

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    I believe that "One Got Fat" is definitely real. I saw it on another website and a few comments came from people that remembered seeing it as kids. Besides, that is most definitely Edward Everett Horton or the most talented impersonator in the world.

    The "Bike Camp" video is awful. I couldn't make it three minutes into the first part. The song is not only awful, that style of rap was already old school in 1989. I've got to hand it to the guy in the pink shirt, he was a good actor to get through that crap without a whipped dog expression on his face. I guess that was his best paying gig he had ever gotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocula
    Then there's no way they'd sit through this 1989 bike safety film. I actually have a copy of it on VHS. I figured it would wind up on Youtube. It's amazingly bad.
    I'm not sure what's worse, the movie or the thought that someone considered this a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
    A mostly valuable movie. I take objection to poor Phillip Floogal being hit by a car while riding against traffic. This is supposed to be a movie demonstrating proper riding safety, and the only legal way to ride on the road is against traffic. Way to prove your point, 1960's infotainment
    I'm not sure where you ride but everywhere I've ever ridden it's against the law to ride against traffic. You are considered a motor vehicle when riding your bike and must act accordingly. The only time to be against traffic is walking or jogging.
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    Love the bits of leather around the hubs. Remember them? You used to have a little nipple in the hub through which you dropped a bit of oil now and then. The leather strap was to pick up the excess oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike
    I would LOVE to see a large group of kids riding bicycles like that - actually going somewhere rather than just up the block and back.
    Me, too. I'm afraid this is what riding bikes looks like these days:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
    Call me crazy, but I identify with the bikeless Mossby Pomegranate.
    Maybe he was an ardent libertarian who felt that bicycle registration was an illegal powergrab by the state.
    +1 on that. In 1976 I had a bike which was chained to the railing in front of my HS which was stolen, and was registered. When I walked to the police station to file a report, I found that the registration was totally useless - they had no interest in the case, I never saw that bike again. I have never registered a bike since then - I figure that if I am stopped, I will tell them that my registration sticker is on the stolen bike, and if they would please recover that, then everybody would be happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauerwald
    +1 on that. In 1976 I had a bike which was chained to the railing in front of my HS which was stolen, and was registered. When I walked to the police station to file a report, I found that the registration was totally useless - they had no interest in the case, I never saw that bike again. I have never registered a bike since then - I figure that if I am stopped, I will tell them that my registration sticker is on the stolen bike, and if they would please recover that, then everybody would be happy
    WOW! That is a coincidence. I too noticed the part of the movie about the dude who had his bike stolen and was running alongside the bicyclists. I thought, "Wow, bike theft was a problem even in the good-old days."

    Anyway, your 1976 story about bicycle registration being useless is very common around the USA. However, with modern computer systems, the situation seems to have improved. I recommend registering your bike. At least you have a chance of recovering your bicycle. To say the very least, if you find your stolen bicycle in the hands of the thief, you can prove to the police that it is YOUR bicycle and not the thief's.
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