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View Poll Results: Would you pay it?
Yes, I am a honest & moral person who belives in supporting the trail. 21 51.22%
Yes, but only because it is actively enforced. 2 4.88%
No, I would avoid using the trail because of the fee. 16 39.02%
No, I would still use the trail but not pay the mandatory fee out of protest. 3 7.32%
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Old 01-01-07, 01:57 AM   #1
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Would you pay it?

If there is a trail that has a mandatory user fee enforced or not, or whether or not you knew it was enforced, would you pay it?

Would you be honest & take the moral high ground & because you believe in supporting the trail would you pay the fee?

Would you only pay it if you knew it were activley enforced?

Would you avoid riding on the trail because of the fee, enforced or not?

Would still use the trail but avoid paying the fee out of protest against trail usage fees?
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Old 01-01-07, 09:08 AM   #2
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Is it a public trail financed with tax dollars? If public, is it federal, state or local?
What is the character of the trail? Is there something special about it? Is it worth riding?

If I'm going to pay to ride a public trail, it had better be something really special.
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Old 01-01-07, 09:14 AM   #3
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Where is the option for junking the current unworkable fee system & finding a viable solution? I'm up to my knees in "moral high ground" but it still isn't working & it still smells like something else.
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Old 01-01-07, 09:16 AM   #4
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Also, the others were right, stone chip smacks the crap out of paved "trails". You know, asphalt floats, I'll let the next person make the appropriate reference to other things that float.
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Is any sort of annual pass available, so I don't have to mess with digging in my pockets each and every time I visit? Usually an annual pass also offers some savings if your use is often enough to add up to a substantial amount over time.

I wouldn't mind paying a fee, if the trail was worth it.
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Old 01-01-07, 09:47 AM   #6
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Is it a public trail financed with tax dollars? If public, is it federal, state or local?
What is the character of the trail? Is there something special about it? Is it worth riding?

If I'm going to pay to ride a public trail, it had better be something really special.
Agreed, if it was one of the best trails on the planet, running coast to coast and no motor traffic whatsoever with camping facilities along it provided FOC as part of the user fee, then yes, I likely would use it and pay the fee.
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Old 01-01-07, 10:11 AM   #7
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I'll start paying for bike trails when cagers start paying their fair share for the roads, instead of taking it out of tax dollars. (Not proud...just honest)

Also I'd be more willing to pay if these trails actually went some place worth going to, instead of just going someplace the trains don't want to go anymore.
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My taxes already pay for trails. Either that or gambling revenue.
I have enough problems with trails around here that paying for them would result in me never using a trail.
I expect trail usage would plummet. As it is I can not use trails in my county after dark. That reduces their usefulness drastically for my commutes.
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Many state and national parks are supported by a mix of public funding and user fees, I don't see why a recreational bike facility would have to be any different. If I enjoyed riding the trail, I would be happy to pay a reasonable usage fee.
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Old 01-01-07, 11:07 AM   #10
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The only pay to ride trails I have ever used where one way groomed mtn bike trails. The cost of the best near here has gone waaaaay up, and our local club, working with the city, builds and maintains some truly supurb mtn bike trails near here that are free to use. I would avoid any pay to ride system that did not provide serious giggles per km ridden. I would (personally) prefer to take the road rather than ride a rail trail or something like that that I had to pay a fee to use. Of course, I speak only for myself here.
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User fees for a trail or bike path are a very bad idea. The fee rarely covers the cost of administration of the fee. The fee significantly increases the county’s and trail administrator’s liability connected to the trail or bike path. An injured, paid up, trail user has a legitimate law suit if the trail was less than perfectly maintained or administered. User fees eliminate the protection enjoyed by most counties and trail administrators against law suits under “recreational use” state laws.

As noted above, many counties and states may prohibit trail or bike path use at night, believing it will limit their liability. Not true if the trail or bike path can be considered a transportation or commuter route. During Hawaii’s last update of the Bike Plan, the plan’s engineering consultants were going to include a recommendation that the state and city bike paths be closed at night to limit liability. During one of the public meetings on the plan with the consultants, I told them it was a bad idea because the city, state and previous bike plans stated that bike paths were built here for increased cyclist safety, if paths were closed at night - it would force cyclist to use the less safe (in the state, city and consultants statements) roadways at night. So if I or other cyclist were to get hit on the roadway at night, when a bike path was otherwise available, then we would sue the city and/or state for prohibiting use of the “safer” path at night and we would especially sue the consultant for recommending such an idea. That one statement (threat) killed the idea of closing our paths at night.

Bottom line, if a county or administrator is stupid enough to charge a user fee, I will gladly pay it. It gives all of use leverage to force them to maintain the trail or bike path properly or face a law suit. If they do not have a user fee, then I would be willing to volunteer time and effort to maintain the trail or bike path, as I and others do here in Hawaii.

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Old 01-01-07, 07:17 PM   #12
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I routinely pay the trail fee on the Cannon Valley Trail, Sparta/Elroy Trail, and the Mesabi Trail. The Cannon Valley Trail has many pay points convenient to the trail. The Mesabi Trail passes are at local businesses so I have missed a couple of fees because I came and went before anything opened. I think Wisconsin's is a trail pass good on all state trails, so all Wisconsin trails require user fees.

For those asking about paved trails and fee, they really are not related. All Wisconsin trails carry fees and none of them are paved.

There are a ton of these kind of fees that we all use all the time.
Hunting Lic.
Car Registration
Toll Road/Bridge
Bus Fare
Green Fees on the City Course
School Sports Activity Fees
Tuition at a State University
State Park Pass

These are all user fees for the use of public assets. For those of you who voted you avoid trails that require fees, do you forego all the above as well.
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Old 01-01-07, 07:26 PM   #13
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I would avoid using the trail, not only because of the fee, but because it is a trail ... and I avoid using 99% of all the MUPs out there.



In answer to the question above ... I also try to avoid as many other fees in my life as possible too.

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Old 01-01-07, 07:34 PM   #14
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Paying to ride your bike? That makes no sense. I would avoid the trail.
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Old 01-01-07, 07:58 PM   #15
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Depends on the fee (how expensive) is and what the fee is actually used for. So assuming that the fee is actually used to support the trail and is reasonable, then why not?

Note that "honest and moral" should probably be replaced with "law-abiding". "Moral" can mean different things to different people. Take ELF (Earth Liberation Front) ... they do a lot of things that I consider immoral; but I figure that members would have a different opinion on the matter.
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Bike trails wouldn't be so expenseive to build if they didn't have to put in all those parking lots.

Best way to handle this would be to charge for a yearly parking sticker. Failure to post a valid sticker, upon detection, would be for the police to immediately impound the vehicle and then sell it at auction as soon as practicable. I think that would be convenient. I mean fair. Uhmm, yeah.
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I voted No for paying/using.

After seeing that extensive map NOW I understand why they'd want to charge for usage. Most of our trails are not nearly as long (or they just go nowhere useful).
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It wouldn't even occur to me that it would be wrong. I was a camper before I was a biker, and there are some places you are just expected to pay. The $5 I pay for my 2 week stays in NM every year is well worth it, in my mind.
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I would avoid using the trail, not only because of the fee, but because it is a trail ... and I avoid using 99% of all the MUPs out there.
I'm acutually biking ON the MUPs more because of ungodly number of cars added to my route in the past 2 yrs. The narrow tranquil "slow" roads that were once great for biking are now filling with annoyed drivers who seeking short cuts. Of course, these too are being widened making them more cage-friendly, noisy and dangerous for bikes.

If they start charging, there'll be some tough choices
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Paying to ride your bike? That makes no sense. I would avoid the trail.
I suspect you pay to ride your bike several times a season, most of us do.
Do you ever:
1) sign up for an organizied ride, like a century
2) sign up with USA Cycling, to particpate in local races
3) sign up with RUSA, to get brevet credit
4) ride a charity event, like an MS150 or AIDs Ride
5) join a local club ride as a non-member. $1 per ride in my area.

All carry user fees for riding your bike in certain place at a certain time.
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Not a lot of people participating in the poll, I'd guess it's the obvious slant mentioned above, that anything but option one makes you a bad person. There's no option for revamping, you either support a taxpayer funded boondoggle by damning the users that don't pay and holding them solely responsible for the budgetary woes while throwing good money after bad yourself, or you're a bad person. No viable solution in this sort of pandering.

Work within your budget or work on your budget, if you can't re-pave for lack of a half-mil then investigate the other options like the ones suggested in the myriad other threads about this one trail project.
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Do you ever:
1) sign up for an organizied ride, like a century
2) sign up with USA Cycling, to particpate in local races
3) sign up with RUSA, to get brevet credit
4) ride a charity event, like an MS150 or AIDs Ride
5) join a local club ride as a non-member.
No to all of those, but I would probably pay to join a charity ride if I decided to do one. But that's different because it's an event. Unless I was involved in an event that was using the pay-to-play trail I would probably choose somewhere else to ride. Not out of any sort of protest or principle. Just because if I have a choice I'll ride somewhere I don't have to pay.
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I suspect you pay to ride your bike several times a season, most of us do.
Do you ever:
1) sign up for an organizied ride, like a century.
Yes, at least 6 a year.

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2) sign up with USA Cycling, to particpate in local races.
No, not a racer, though I am not against doing so, so yes, I would.

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3) sign up with RUSA, to get brevet credit.
Have not rode a brevet yet, but hope to someday. I know who to contact here in the forums for advice.

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4) ride a charity event, like an MS150 or AIDs Ride.
I have one better I help organize an annual charity ride & ride at least 1 or 2 others year.

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5) join a local club ride as a non-member. $1 per ride in my area.
I am a memebr of my bike club we do not charge non-members. We do ask & encourage that they join & all who ride with us, members & non-members alike sign a waiver.

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All carry user fees for riding your bike in certain place at a certain time.
No need for this in my area. There plenty of free places to park & lock a bike.
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Yes, if it were on a regular commuting route that I used.

If it were not on one of my regular routes, I wouldn't use it. There is a very nice trail not far from here that I have never used (and it's free) just because it doesn't go from my house to any of my normal destinations.

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