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Old 02-01-07, 03:48 PM   #1
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Teen Gets 25 Days for Hit and Run that Hospitalized 7-Year Old Cyclist

Teen gets detention, probation in hit-and-run accident

Wednesday, January 31, 2007
By STEPHANIE RICE, Columbian Staff Writer
http://www.columbian.com/news/localN...7news99206.cfm

"You're not a bad boy; you did a very bad thing. You showed very poor judgment."
-Clark County Superior Court Commissioner Scott Collier

Aleksandr O. Kutyrev was sentenced Wednesday to 25 days in the juvenile detention center for driving away after he accidentally struck a 7-year-old bicyclist last summer.

Clark County Superior Court Commissioner Scott Collier also ordered Kutyrev, 15, to complete 120 hours of community supervision and be on probation for one year.

Kutyrev pleaded guilty Jan. 3 to hit-and-run, driving without a license and taking his parents' truck without permission.

Trevor Wagner was seriously injured in the Aug. 24 collision near 3700 N.E. 132nd Ave. and was hospitalized for nearly a month. Surgeons had to remove a blood clot from his brain and he had to relearn how to walk, talk and eat, his mother, Heather Worley, said Wednesday.

Kutyrev apologized to Trevor's parents during the court hearing.

Collier received a stack of letters from Kutyrev supporters describing the teenager as a smart, responsible and considerate young man.

"You're not a bad boy; you did a very bad thing," Collier said. "You showed very poor judgment."

Senior Deputy Prosecutor Rick Olson said officers from the Vancouver Police Department spent an estimated 200 hours tracking down Kutryev, which they were able to do because a mirror that fell off his parent's Nissan Frontier truck and was found at the scene.

Collier told Kutyrev that all of the time and energy spent tracking him down "is something you'll never repay" the community.

"I want you to learn from this and never be here again," Collier said.

With credit for good behavior, Kutyrev will be out of the detention center in 20 days.

Kutyrev's 12-year-old brother, who was with him when he struck Trevor, was sentenced Dec. 21 to 24 hours of community service.
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They didn't even take away his license!

ohhhh....

Its just tragic that everyone involved was so young... There is no real justice. Its just a terrible event that happened because of our car centric society.
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They didn't even take away his license!

ohhhh....

Its just tragic that everyone involved was so young... There is no real justice. Its just a terrible event that happened because of our car centric society.
He didn't even HAVE a liscence. You will notice that there wasn't anything mentioned in the OP about not being allowed to get his liscence After the probation...
(Edit: Unless My sarcasm detector is totally malfunctioning today, a good possibility)

I guess I'm just stupified that this kid did this in the first place. at 15 I never would have even touched my parents car unless it was an absolute emergency involving life or death...
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Obviously, the kid is a product of a shoddily run household. I am not saying my family was perfect but I learned from a young age how to walk the straight line and to be a responsible man.
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Collier received a stack of letters from Kutyrev supporters describing the teenager as a smart, responsible and considerate young man.
Responsible? Erm...no.

I hope the kid he hit can fully recover. This teen's sentencing is an insult to his injuries and his family's anguish.
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There is no real justice. Its just a terrible event that happened because of our car centric society.
Absolute nonsense. The child rode out into the street and got hit by a car. The driver didn't stop-- the driver didn't accept responsibility for the accident. That's got nothing to do with a car-centric society, and everything to do with a society in which personal responsibility is discarded and the self-centered flourish. And it's not just limited to motorists, so don't give me that "car-centric" crap; we have "cyclists"-- I use the term loosely-- on here openly boasting of their sociopathic riding behavior.
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Absolute nonsense. The child rode out into the street and got hit by a car. The driver didn't stop-- the driver didn't accept responsibility for the accident. That's got nothing to do with a car-centric society, and everything to do with a society in which personal responsibility is discarded and the self-centered flourish. And it's not just limited to motorists, so don't give me that "car-centric" crap; we have "cyclists"-- I use the term loosely-- on here openly boasting of their sociopathic riding behavior.
+1

I sincerely hope the 7 yr. old's parents are gearing up to take the 14 yr. old and his parents for a litigation ride they will never forget.

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He didn't even HAVE a liscence. You will notice that there wasn't anything mentioned in the OP about not being allowed to get his liscence After the probation...
(Edit: Unless My sarcasm detector is totally malfunctioning today, a good possibility)

I guess I'm just stupified that this kid did this in the first place. at 15 I never would have even touched my parents car unless it was an absolute emergency involving life or death...
Personally I think they should ban him from driving, until he's 21, but I don't think that's gonna happen....
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I sincerely hope the 7 yr. old's parents are gearing up to take the 14 yr. old and his parents for a litigation ride they will never forget.
Why should his parents be litigated? that doesn't make any sense... unless you give parents the right to lock the kids up and punish them at will. punishment sounds about right to me even if he killed the kid he would have been released at 18 anyways.
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Absolute nonsense. The child rode out into the street and got hit by a car. The driver didn't stop-- the driver didn't accept responsibility for the accident. That's got nothing to do with a car-centric society, and everything to do with a society in which personal responsibility is discarded and the self-centered flourish. And it's not just limited to motorists, so don't give me that "car-centric" crap; we have "cyclists"-- I use the term loosely-- on here openly boasting of their sociopathic riding behavior.
I don’t know, I haven't heard too many police bulletins lately for bikes fleeing the scene of personal injury accidents. I can just picture it:

"...Police are looking for a blue Trek 5200 with front end damage seen last speeding from the scene…"

But I hear this for motor vehicles all the time. If you contend that a car doesn’t provide any particular motive to hurt someone and then flee, you have to concede it provides a pretty good opportunity.

How do we know the kid “rode out into the street and got hit by a car”? Is there additional info on the accident not provided by the OP?
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I don’t know, I haven't heard too many police bulletins lately for bikes fleeing the scene of personal injury accidents. I can just picture it:

"...Police are looking for a blue Trek 5200 with front end damage seen last speeding from the scene…"
But then, I didn't say anything about police bulletins, did I? I said so-called "cyclists" on this forum are openly boasting of anti-social riding-- i.e., assaulting pedestrians.


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But I hear this for motor vehicles all the time. If you contend that a car doesn’t provide any particular motive to hurt someone and then flee, you have to concede it provides a pretty good opportunity.

How do we know the kid “rode out into the street and got hit by a car”? Is there additional info on the accident not provided by the OP?
The original news stories, posted on this forum.
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why SHOULDN'T the parents be litigated against in civil court for medical costs and suffering affiliated with their childrens' behavior?

charge them big time, make the kid regret he ever took the car. not to be devils' advocate, the fact the kid fled the scene is abhorrent, but what 15 year old kid wouldn't sneak the car out for a drive?

I was 15, had no license, and was transporting U-haul trucks up and down michigan's I-75 cooridor for some extra cash when i was young....
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Why should his parents be litigated? that doesn't make any sense... unless you give parents the right to lock the kids up and punish them at will. punishment sounds about right to me even if he killed the kid he would have been released at 18 anyways.
Because parents are responsible to and for their children. Responsbilities that are seriously lacking in today's "it's not my fault" society.

It makes no sense at all to not hold them responsible.

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The complete lack of legal understand in A&S is appalling. Not surprising, just appalling

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Kutyrev wasn't at fault in the collision because a fence blocked his view of Trevor, who had ridden into the street and was not wearing a helmet.

It was still Kutyrev's duty to summon help, Olson said.
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Because parents are responsible to and for their children. Responsbilities that are seriously lacking in today's "it's not my fault" society.
They might be able to mitigate some of the reposibility for the crash by pressing charges on their kid for stealing the car, but that would be another admission in their failure to teach the kid basic principles of right from wrong.
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i thought i read in the original news report on the accident (can't find it now) that the driver went home and tried touching up the car to cover up the accident damage and the parents caught him. I thought the parents helped him try to cover up the scratches on the car and also did not contact police after hearing of the accident. It took the police 3 or 4 days to find them. it was all over the news and the parents didn't turn him in.
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This was in my town, Vancouver, WA. Things are changing, but even an immigrant kid who wasn't raised in auto-idiot-land gets the idea that a car is necessary for everything. Yes, it is his fault as well as his parents' but this highlights the 1955 mentality of my city. The east Clark County area where they live has virtually no bus routing and classic business/residential segregated development. The underaged, unlicensed driver in question would probably also think that at fifteen he is too old to ride a bicycle.
Thus is the culture of the redneck Vancouver--the one 500k south of the cool one!
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This was in my town, Vancouver, WA. Things are changing, but even an immigrant kid who wasn't raised in auto-idiot-land gets the idea that a car is necessary for everything. Yes, it is his fault as well as his parents' but this highlights the 1955 mentality of my city. The east Clark County area where they live has virtually no bus routing and classic business/residential segregated development. The underaged, unlicensed driver in question would probably also think that at fifteen he is too old to ride a bicycle.
Thus is the culture of the redneck Vancouver--the one 500k south of the cool one!
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I think the punishment is right for the age of the kid. It will probably scare him to death. They won't be so lenient if there's ever a next time. Remember, he's only 15. How many stupid things did you get away with when you were 15? He didn't get away with it and he's going to jail. That's more than a LOT of adults get for killing cyclists.
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I think it would have been just right had he also been banned from getting a driver's license until he was 21.
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I think the punishment is right for the age of the kid. It will probably scare him to death. They won't be so lenient if there's ever a next time. Remember, he's only 15. How many stupid things did you get away with when you were 15? He didn't get away with it and he's going to jail. That's more than a LOT of adults get for killing cyclists.

Are you kidding me???? Next time!?!?! At 15 I was applying to college. At 15 I didn't get away with anything because I had a conscience and my parents would have punished me. I didn't curse. I didn't do anything wrong. I sure as heck didn't steal a car, run over a 7 year old, and leave him to die in the street, and then try to cover it up. 20 days in juvie hall is not jail and is getting away with a slap on the wrist.

You also mention adults killing cyclists. But you fail to mention that this kid commited a crime by driving without a license, commited a hit and run(another crime) and then tried to cover it up(yet another crime). Those adults you speak of that get no jail time for killing a cyclist have licenses, do not run, and are not at fault or were in attentive for 1 second at worst. There is a big difference.

This judge who said this 15 yo is not a bad kid is wrong. This kid made a decision when he hit that boy. He decided that his own life and convenience and not being caught and not getting in trouble was more important than that 7 year old's life. If that isn't evil and bad, I don't know what is. And don't give me, he must have panicked bit. There was a conscious decision however fast, and he decided to save his own skin over that of this little boy. Its evil pure and simple.
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First they should not be coddeling the little idiot. "You're not a bad boy"? BULL****!!! If the little dumb **** knew right from wrong he would not have done this. Second I say go after the parents. They are supposed to teach the little idiot right form wrong. Where the hell were they? The kid is 15, old enough to be tried as an adult which is what should have happened. What would that have taken? If he had killed the 7 yr. old?

He's smart? Yeah, smart enough to steal a vehicle & almost kill someone. Why was he not charged with auto theft? If it were my kid he would have been.

He's responsible? Uh, no. If he were he would not have stolen his parents vehicle & hit the 7 yr. old. A true form of coddeling in today's society. No wonder kids get away with anything with out paying the price for it.

He's considerate? Hell no! If he were this would not have happened. He had no consideration for his parents property or the 7 yr. olds life.

I call bull**** on this.

I think the laws in Canada are way to soft. If this had happened in the U.S. he would have been tried as an adult & charged with everything possible, including auto theft, driving with out a liscense. The parents would have been charged too, & rightly so.
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I think the laws in Canada are way to soft. If this had happened in the U.S. he would have been tried as an adult & charged with everything possible, including auto theft, driving with out a liscense. The parents would have been charged too, & rightly so.
This all happened in the US. Vancouver, Washington is a pretty confusing place name though... So much for US law huh?
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This all happened in the US. Vancouver, Washington is a pretty confusing place name though... So much for US law huh?
Never mind on that part then. I guess the question is why is this kid being coddeled? Why are they going way to soft on him? I do not think juvy hall will scare him one bit, especially only 20 days. Now a year or more with no contact with the outside world, except maybe his parents, yeah that would do the trick & is what should be done. Then again if his parents were held responsible like they should be they would be serving prison time too.
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This kid is not gonna care about his juvy days 5 years from now. He needs punishment that'll make him remember what he did for a good long time. I'd say take his licenese away (and keep him from getting one) permanently!
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